Bill Dura/AP and Speed

[The_real_cal_howard]

None yet

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I mean, for Bill, there was already reached one in the other one with the "Unknown, likely 2-A".

It's just that Low 2-C shacktron is a no for me.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

shackatron is in no way low 2-C but elizhaa is showing some evidence of low 2-C bill on the other thread

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Which is still uneeded.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

unneeded you mean? If the proof turns out sufficient we could make the tier

"Unknown, At least low 2-C, Likely 2-A"

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No.

2-A is a thing because you decided that ignoring every contradiction for PIS. You can't cherrypick it just to get Low 2-C as well.

 

[JooCipher]

Bill gets likely 2-A and Axolotl gets plain 2-A?

since Axolotl is not only far superior to Bill, he is also workshiped as a god

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That doesn't make 2-A any less of an assumption for it.

 

[JooCipher]

Bill is stated to be the biggest threat to the Multiverse as well as it's most feared being

 

[TheArsenal1212]

So

Unknown, likely 2A

That's actually perhaps the best we can do considering the many inconsistencies

 

[JooCipher]

sounds good to me

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Bill is stated to be the biggest threat to the Multiverse as well as it's most feared being

Neither of those are remotly quantifable in a tier, let alone 2-A.

 

[Antvasima]

Ricsi is correct about that it is not quantifiable.

 

[The_Smashor]

Conclusion Bill should be 10-C and Below Average Human because he got outran by a bunch of kids and hurt by a spray can.

I am dead.

Anyway, being serious.

I agree with Low 2-C-but-still-3D possibly 2-A-but-also-still-3D Bill. I also agree with his dura scaling to his AP. It just makes sense with logic.

Don't know much about GF so I can't say anything about anything else.

 

[JooCipher]

the Gravity Falls multiverse is infinite and Bill is has this statements

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Both of those were answered already ''several ''times.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Best you can say is that Bill has 2-A range/Environmental Destruction.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Then Ricsi in your personal opinion. What should Bill's tier be ?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

2-A environmental destruction. What a world.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

In my personal opinion, trying to tier him is silly like trying to do so with Suggverse characters or with mostly Toonforce characters. He varies to whatever the author feels like writing at the moment, and that's that.

I don't think we should bother making a profile that ignores literally every showing. PIS is a thing, but after a certain point I have to wonder what's the point of a profile that has not even one showing without PIS. If he had all the powers he is claimed to have, he would've won before his original dimension collapsed.


Also, the fact that there are infinite versions of the most dangerous being, each able to destroy the universe if they won, and yet not even one winning is... weird too.

 

[JooCipher]

infine projections of him

that was his mindscape self talking

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

...No.

I CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE ARE INFINITE ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF ME IN INFINITE ALTERNATE DIMENSIONS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION WITH INFINITE VARIATION!

 

[JooCipher]

again, he was possessing Alex Hirsch during the AMA

he was seeing infinite versions of his projections

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Not only is that an extreme assumption, one that still leads to infinite Bills possesing infiniute Alexes, but one that by your logic would make his precog null.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

I think straight up Unknown then for Bill. Based of everything I've heard I agree with Ricsi, GravityFalls is amazing but my god that finale makes it so difficult to give Bill a tier. Either we get rid of it or make him unknown which is probably the safest option

 

[JooCipher]

Unknown, Likely 2-A is the safer option

given the statements that we have

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I was thinking of "Unknown, 2-A via Environmental Destruction."

 

[JooCipher]

2-A Environmental Destruction sounds a little fishy to me

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Please discuss this on the other thread please

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Why? An AP revision was mentioned here so this is what we're discussing.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

so Elizhaa is arguing for 4-D Bill which is still sort of on the table

The tier has been decided on by almost everyone since risci is making the most sense which is Unknown, likely 2-A

And then there are the powers to deal with

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@JooCipher This dude has 2-A via chain reaction.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Very false analogy. Shredder is 2-A via screwing with the prime universe which caused a chain reaction throughout the infinite universes. He did nothing more than attempt to kill Ninja Turtles.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Wasn't really trying to comparing them. I was saying Bill's 2-A is environmental destruction, not chain reaction. Joo said it was fishy, so I decided to show him something else that's "strange."

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Prove Bill's is via chain reaction, as everyone finds that to be an extremely headcanony belief.

Sorry if I'm being confrontational right now. For once, not trying to be.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Yeah actually that's true. The show depicts that once Bill's reaches a certain power it will destroy everything not casually destroying things as he gets stronger.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Cal I just said it wasn't a chain reaction.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That's not a chain reaction nor is it environmental destruction.

 

[TriforcePower1]

I agree with AP. Chain reaction is headcanon, and 2-A environmental destruction doesn't exist.

Durability is just really basic logic.

Speed needs more scans, but I'm leaning to agree with infinite speed rather than immensurable.