Bill Dura/AP and Speed

[Ricsi-viragosi]

How could an attack with 2-C range not have infinite speed?
For a bullet fired from a gun to be able to reach the end of an infinite 3D space, how fast would the bullet have to be?

Infinitely fast, that is the point of what I'm saying

It couldn't. But fiction doesn't care about that. He is never shown at infinite speed, and he has anti-feats. That's it as far as the argument goes, because logic is not something that is really prominent throughout gravity falls.

That is not what happens here tough. Here, a rips in space is made, and that causes the multiverse to be destroyed, there is no travel time involved.

 

[Awsometime]

You have yet to prove how it's contradicted.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You clearly didn't make up your mind from the start, as you've completely changed your premise mid-debate.
You still have yet to debunk how traveling an infinite amount of distance in a finite amount of time is not infinite speed. Do you even know what the speed equation is?

Qoute me on that, please.

Also, your comment came in after mine. You should wait for me to answer that one.

 

[JooCipher]

Bill should be Immeasurable imo He literally insulted humans for being bound to the "oppressive tyranny of time"

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You have yet to prove how it's contradicted.

Bill is never shown to move faster than anyone can react to ever, nothing even in statements implies it, he is constantly tagged by people who aren't infinite like the shacktron, and there is no reason for him to be infinite since travel time is not even part of how he destroys things.

 

[DMB_1]

Bill should be Immeasurable imo
He literally insulted humans for being bound to the "oppressive tyranny of time"

This could mean basically absolutely anything without context. You could argue that he said so because they can die from old age, or the fact that they cannot travel through time.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Bill should be Immeasurable imo
He literally insulted humans for being bound to the "oppressive tyranny of time"

Yeah I answered that several times, so simply stop repeating it at nauseum.

He throws around self contradicting statements all the time, and the logic would lead to both mabel and dreamscaper bill being infinite, since both can exist in a timeless reality.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@DMB 1 That's exactly what I said.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

^That's exactly what I said.

Better qoute things, since you mean DMB here.


Tough, adding ontu that, he might also be meaning Time Baby's tyranny.

 

[JooCipher]

Time Baby rules the future It can't be his tyranny

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Time Baby rules the future
It can't be his tyranny

He rules over time as a whole, he just doesn't change the past.

It was a pretty important policy that was set up.

 

[Awsometime]

"No, that's not enough to have infinite speed.

Many 2-As can destroy the multiverse, but we don't just give them infinite speed off that."


"What? No.

His whole point was a never ending party."

So basically here you concede the point that destroying infinite universes in any finite amount of time is infinite speed. Once you realized you couldn't counter that, you changed your premise to talk about Bill's "party that never ends" statement, which is blatantly contradicted and was likely just used to butter Ford up.

Like previously when Bill says he "liberated" his dimension, which in context means he completely destroyed it, and then says he's here to "liberate [Ford's]

Or when Ford says in his journal that Bill wants to destroy their reality.

Or when Bill doesn't give a flying **** when the Time Baby says he's going to destroy the very fabric of existence.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, I just assumed you read through the thread.

Bill doesn't go from one universe to the other, destroying them one at a time until there isn't any left. And no, he uses words like eternity even when hee doesn't want to butter up peaple.

He personally wants a neverending party. It was already brought up that his 2-A rating comes from the rift in the universe, which has no travel time.


Bill libarating his 2-D dimension led him to a lawless reality where he partied with his friends. That doesn't contradict his goals.

Ford also says that the world ended when weirdmageddon starts. Reality fusing with a lawless hell fits his definition of end of the world apparently.

Beyond the fact that Time Baby says that it might happen, it was already pointed out that that is more Bill not caring about anything the time baby says of his actions, not him believing that it will happen.


Plus, you kind of fail to give a reson for Bill to be infinite in speed.

 

[JooCipher]

Also, can someone remind me if the statement about Bill being a 4D being was accepted?

 

[DMB_1]

Also, can someone remind me if the statement about Bill being a 4D being was accepted?

No, as far as I know.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It wasn't.

 

[Awsometime]

I gave a reason, and your rebuttal was "no"

My time is being wasted here

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also, can someone remind me if the statement about Bill being a 4D being was accepted?

It doesn't matter because of the revisions that will happen to dimensionality.


And if you don't know, it pretty much is about the fact that being higher D isn't automatically an AP thing, and dimensionality as a whole means nothing unless it is shown to be better then those below it.

In this case, it would make our 11D guys not dumb, since they can move in 11 dimensions to our 3, but they don't get AP from that.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I gave a reason, and your rebuttal was "no"
My time is being wasted here

What reason? Pretty sure I was responding to another thing, maybe I qouted the wrong thing.

So please, qoute it, because the only reason I remember you giving claims tht Bills attacks reach the end of the universe, which it doesn't, because his AP comes from a thing with no travel time.

 

[Antvasima]

Look, we would only scale Bill's speed to his attack potency if he was explicitly stated to physically travel to an infinite number of universes within a finite period of time. If not, we simply rate it as range.

These are our standards for all fictional franchises, and we can neither make an exception here or change our general standards on your say-so. Fiction usually does not tend to treat attack potency and speed as scalable from each other, as far as I am aware.

Are there any indications that Bill can physically travel an infinite distance without teleportation?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Not as far as I remember, no.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, that settles it then. We are not going to accept infinite speed for him, so I would appreciate if Awsometime drops the subject.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I would like to point out that Bill should have his resistance to time manipulation removed as infinite/immeasurable speed was debunked and he has no feats of resisting it.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

he still "transcended time" it is just that he won't recieve any higher speed for it

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

To repeat what I said on the other thread:


"I don't think Bill should be infinite or immeasurable. From the context, it sounds more like Bill not being oppressed by the tyranny of time is because he controls time and/or he's immortal so he doesn't have to worry about aging. Of course, unless you want to give every time manipulator immeasurable speed then Bill shouldn't have it."

"Or it could just be related to Bill being immortal, in that sense he isn't "oppressed by time" because he won't age unlike humans.

Even if you think Bill referring to himself not aging is an assumption, which do you think sounds like a more reasonable interpretation? That or Bill having immeasurable speed which is never remotely demonstrated in the show?"

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i agree that he isn't immeasurable but tyranny of time sounds more like time in its essence or something like that

 

[Antvasima]

I don't have the time to follow this thread anymore. You can message me when you have reached a conclusion.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I'm fine with what's in the OP.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

I want to pu a bit in here. Bill's Mindscape key should have reality warping via being able to do anyhting in the dream world. It also says reality warping two times on his profile.