Bill Dura/AP and Speed

[Dragopentling]

Yea, the amount of inconsistencies and unreliable word-for-word information is not helping in this one. Tbh, I view Bill Cipher as an epitome of PIS, whether it's for or against him

 

[JooCipher]

Yea, the amount of inconsistencies and unreliable word-for-word information is not helping in this one. Tbh, I view Bill Cipher as an epitome of PIS, whether it's for or against him

Bill's PIS is 100% against him imo

 

[Dragopentling]

Bill's PIS is 100% against him imo

I mean, when he isn't one-shooting Time Baby and talking like he owns everything.

 

[Antvasima]

Is there enough consensus to apply any changes here?

 

[DMB_1]

Honestly, since Bill's whole power set, tier, and consistency surrounding them seem to be a huge problem, a blog would definitely hel├▓p.

 

[Elizhaa]

I rather wait for the other's final opinions regarding if Bill was 3-D before the series started.

 

[Elizhaa]

eh may as well post this here
Bill's ability seperation between his 2-D and 3-D keys are whack

The only abilities that Bill should have that are only in his 3-D key are his law/physics/causality shenanigans, time manipulation, acausality, and low-godly regen.

But for some reason his keys makes it seem like he can't do fire manipulation, duplication, energy beams, or ******* telekinesis without being 3-D.

True for the current keys's separation

 

[JooCipher]

Honestly, since Bill's whole power set, tier, and consistency surrounding them seem to be a huge problem, a blog would definitely hel├▓p.

I agree

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Bit of a derailing but would the clock tower that bill blew up be considered 9-A?

 

[Paul_Frank]

or just ban threads trying to adjust bill's stats like we did with ajimu and iihiko who are far less inconsistent ovo

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Bit of a derailing but would the clock tower that bill blew up be considered 9-A?

I'd say 9-B. It's only the tip of the tower which is mostly made out of wood

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

ok, although i more meant the explosion itself since it seemed quite huge and the characters managed to live through it

 

[Elizhaa]

ok, although i more meant the explosion itself since it seemed quite huge and the characters managed to live through it

I think the explosion was view as 8-A.

Why do these things matter though especially since he was fighting the Shacktro who comparable to him, Totallynotchewbacca?

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i meant this for the main cast and whether or not they ad a 9-A feat

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i still think that the barrier weakened bill or something since it would be pretty silly if that robot was high 3-A or low2-C

 

[TheArsenal1212]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2651183

This still needs to be added to Bill's Profile

 

[Elizhaa]

i still think that the barrier weakened bill or something since it would be pretty silly if that robot was high 3-A or low2-C

The barrier was never stated to weakened him but just trapped him.

The shacktron was power up by the portal which was accepted to Low 2-C since it can tear the universe apart

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The shacktron still doesn't scale.

Powersource doesn't scale to a vheicle, and it got enough energy to lift something it couldn't by teens running.

 

[Elizhaa]

The shacktron still doesn't scale.
Powersource doesn't scale to a vheicle, and it got enough energy to lift something it couldn't by teens running.

The journal explicitly stated the power core of the portal is the main power source. The teen part I can disagree then again Ford did create a Perpetual Motion Machine as a teen ( so it not unlikely this desing was implemented asin my opinions)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And I don't care. Power sources don't scale to a vheicle.

And what? How does that have anything to do with teens running like hamsters. Are you implying that they somehow produced enough energy to lift what litirally infinite energy couldn't?

And while there, do you seriously want to think that the overgrown bread is so heavy that something with enough energy to destroy the universe can lift it?

And that is ignoring the fact that one of it's main attack methods is a trex head.

 

[Dragopentling]

I'm pretty sure Bill's current tiering is okay as it is for most part. However, I'll still stand by the suggestion to change to "possibly 2A", because the evidence is oral and not exactly an all reliable one. If he physically showed anything that'd would better hint at the 2A potency, other than one-shooting another gag character (I seriously don't take Time Baby in a very serious light), I will consider rethinking my stance on this.

As for speed, not much to comment there.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Unrealted to the topic, but why isn't Bill's win against Dimentio still not on his profile, when his loss to Asriel was almost immediately put on?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Because someone who can unlock profiles was on the asriel thread and didso, and the same isn't true for the dimentio one.

And if you thinkmatch-up additions and removals are actually followed (followed, as in regularly monitored to see if something needs to be changed. Not as in pressing the follow button and then ignoring it) by those who can edit profiles, you are quiet wrong.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

in weirdmaggedon part 3, when one of bills weird monsters made out of the totem pole attacked the shack it just lost its power and turned into a normal pole again

i think this is evidence that it doesn't scale

 

[Thelastmlg]

i saw bill's page at debatesjungle and they seen to have evidence for 4D existence: https://imgur.com/a/HysmD2P

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Already brought up and rejected.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Already brought up and rejected.

reasoning?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Statements of higher-dimensionality get ignored if it's contradicted.

Bill originated from the second dimension and hasn't demonstrated characteristics a higher-dimensional being would have.

 

[Antvasima]

So what are the conclusions here? Should he get "Unknown. At least ..., at most ..." statistics, since it seems so hard to decide?

 

[Dragopentling]

So what are the conclusions here? Should he get "Unknown. At least ..., at most ..." statistics, since it seems so hard to decide?

when your brain overheats

Everyone who is neutral in this thread.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Because someone who can unlock profiles was on the asriel thread and didso, and the same isn't true for the dimentio one.

And if you thinkmatch-up additions and removals are actually followed (followed, as in regularly monitored to see if something needs to be changed. Not as in pressing the follow button and then ignoring it) by those who can edit profiles, you are quiet wrong.

If that's the case, the thread about adding matches to profiles is literally redundant

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

If that's the case, the thread about adding matches to profiles is literally redundant

It kind of is. I understand it tough, most peeps are overworked as heck, which is why I only harras them to add it if they participated in the thread.

 

[JooCipher]

So what are the conclusions here? Should he get "Unknown. At least ..., at most ..." statistics, since it seems so hard to decide?

For me Bill should get Unknown,. At least Low 2-C, likely 2-A

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Would the rest of you be fine with Joo's suggestion?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Sure.

 

[Dragopentling]

I still think "possibly 2A" would fit better, though.

"at least Low 2C" is perfectly fine, though.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-A" then. Is somebody willing to apply that rating?

 

[JooCipher]

I'll do it

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will unlock the page. Tell me here when you are done.

Remember to provide proper explanations for the statistics within the profile.

 

[JooCipher]

At least Low 2-C(Was going to destroy the fabric of existence.) possibly 2-A(described as one of the biggest threats to the Gravity Falls Multiverse. Said Multiverse is stated multiple times as ifinite) Does this sound ok?