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Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

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Quintessence_PE said:
"all he saw was me removing my exoskeleton to feed"

His can only impress a simple person. Yan Sen has seen so many massacres and wars that it would take a really weak mind to be affected by it.
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It's a supernatural ability, so he'd have to have a resist to it for it to count
 
his profile just talks about how he is a type 1 conceptual being
but we never see him use a type 1 conceptual attack on someone unless im missing something
 
Robo432343 said:
what does base yan sen have that can incap bill
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Ahhhh...

Well, maybe his aura then? I don't know if that reached any consensus.

Would disintegration do something to Bill? Like completely erasing his physical form?
 
5 dimensions are already considered complex if you perceive it in its actuality and not through 3 dimensional visuals
If we're gonna highball that madness hax of bill it would be 12 dimensional because that's how far his complexity can go in terms of power and probably shape

so i don't think it would affect Yan Sen.

Furthermore to whom does Bill have shown this kind of madness hax because without feats regarding to it at best it would just be that
to say that you need to understand complexity without detailing what complexity it is then later say "it would work" is not helpful to the conversation.
Either establish what kind of complexity it is. It is through complex shape, complex mind-numbing imagery in 3 dimensions or more or something else.
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
5 dimensions are already considered complex if you perceive it in its actuality and not through 3 dimensional visuals
If we're gonna highball that madness hax of bill it would be 12 dimensional because that's how far his complexity can go in terms of power and probably shape

so i don't think it would affect Yan Sen.
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On the resistence page says
Against HDE | Abilities where the target affects themselves: As long as the ability does not need to contend with the character's scale these should be still effective. A higher-dimensional entity may still be affected by the subliminal messages in a movie it watches, for example. The usual range problem is circumvented by the target's own sensory capabilities leading to them perceiving the threat.
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Furthermore to whom does Bill have shown this kind of madness hax because without feats regarding to it at best it would just be that
to say that you need to understand complexity without detailing what complexity it is then later say "it would work" is not helpful to the conversation.
Either establish what kind of complexity it is. It is through complex shape, complex mind-numbing imagery in 3 dimensions or more or something else.
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It worked on fiddleford whos a Supergenius, and could build 1-B stuff
 
Quintessence_PE said:
all their abilities affect the gods. :)
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thats just really good non physical interaction tho
it doesn't mean that every ability they have is going to be conceptual

are you saying that if my telekinesis works on a conceptual being my telekinesis is therefore conceptual??
 
Brogeefrong said:
On the resistence page says
Abilities where the target affects themselves: As long as the ability does not need to contend with the character's scale these should be still effective. A higher-dimensional entity may still be affected by the subliminal messages in a movie it watches, for example. The usual range problem is circumvented by the target's own sensory capabilities leading to them perceiving the threat.
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subliminal messages works because of the function of the brain that induces that effect. which again is based on the target's sensory capabilities.
So in the case of R>F although the imagery is fiction to him it can induce effects of hallucination
But if said target does not function similar to a regular human's brain by either being non biological or being a machine what gives you the assumption that said imagery or madness hax works?
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
subliminal messages works because of the function of the brain that induces that effect. which again is based on the target's sensory capabilities.
So in the case of R>F although the imagery is fiction to him it can induce effects of hallucination
But if said target does not function similar to a regular human's brain by either being non biological or being a machine what gives you the assumption that said imagery or madness hax works?
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are you saying someone who has abstract existence perceives the other character as fiction?? im not strawmanning, just asking
 
Brogeefrong said:
Dont all Higher Dimensional beings have a more complex thought system then Lower Dimensional ones, which would include stuff like Type 1 AE,
Adding more rq
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depends on how these higher dimensional beings are.
False R>F by higher plane may act and function like regular humans but are treated as higher reality. but they are not as complex and are simply in a higher reality
if you go back to one of the oldest smurf discussion thread
the mentions of imagery and illusion are brought out
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Now if you claim it is Bill's supernatural powers rather than his innate property to cause it
then it might work but then again we are talking about supernatural power thus we can only push it as far as 12 dimension for Bill which is perceivable to Yan Sen unlike other lower beings who would go insane from information overload
Establish what it is. Natural or Supernatural. If it is supernatural then what makes it Type 3 madness rather than Type 2?
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
depends on how these higher dimensional beings are.
False R>F by higher plane may act and function like regular humans but are treated as higher reality. but they are not as complex and are simply in a higher reality
if you go back to one of the oldest smurf discussion thread
the mentions of imagery and illusion are brought out
CJLJkCz.png

Now if you claim it is Bill's supernatural powers rather than his innate property to cause it
then it might work but then again we are talking about supernatural power thus we can only push it as far as 12 dimension for Bill which is perceivable to Yan Sen unlike other lower beings who would go insane from information overload
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It affected other characters who can percieve and create tech on that level
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Establish what it is. Natural or Supernatural. If it is supernatural then what makes it Type 3 madness rather than Type 2?
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uh @ShionAH @StrymULTRA idk this one
 
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