Cultivator against superheroes to a whole other level! (CAHS upgrade thread)

[SweetDao]

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[Quintessence_PE]

b. The case of Yan Sen or how meta stuff helps us.

If you agree with the "a" part, then everything is going fine and what I will propose is only a result of a logical conjecture.

Henry is capable to go to any "finite" length in terms of dimensions, that's what we established previously, however, he's unable to catch up to Yan Sen. Why ?

Because Yan Sen is above/beyond the setting.

What would be above a setting that can go to any number of arbitrary dimensions ? Something that is completely out of reach by such a jump. Meaning that, for Yan Sen to be above it, he would need to be infinite in comparison, meaning High 1-B.

Summary : Henry can reach up to any arbitrary number of dimensions depending on his opponent. Yan Sen becomes High 1-B (A possible rating is fine too)

Yan Sen: 'Your body still wants to surpass me'
Henry continued to increase his power dimensionally through his plot ability, but Yan Sen was beyond his reach. This was because, as you said, Yan Sen was above the setting. So, even though Henry continued to increase his dimensionality, he could not reach Yan Sen's power.

In summary, I agree with everything you said. High-1B or Possbly High-1B Yan Sen looks good.

 

[Elizhaa]

I am also neutral with the changes, from ActuallySpaceMan42's points.

 

[SweetDao]

I'm stuck in the neutral limbo

 

[Floxiaaa]

I think I understand the subject. First of all, I would like to say a few things about Henry's predecessors.

1) Because of Henry's design, we know that his aim is to completely overcome and be stronger than the person or being/creation he is in front of, and we saw this when he came to the same height as Yan-sen (I say this with the valid argument in his profile). This can be expanded to any finite dimension at defined levels and can be done through logical inferences. Even though a larger infinite 12-dimensional space is mentioned here, the white area will still be larger than that. So, the result here is that it is understood that any finite space cannot compete with the white space (I hope Sweet also agrees with this opinion). In other words, the white space should be evaluated at least at the 'probably High 1-B' level with a logical framework and comments.

2) The white area of this example is possibly located beyond the von Neumann structure, in short, it is placed in the Low 1-A level. Any dimensional space cannot be beyond the white area and will be evaluated below the existence of the white area. In this case, even though it is a bit absurd, there will be a space beyond any x- or higher-dimensional spaces.

(I would be happy if you correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

[Floxiaaa]

and I agree with this thread

 

[SweetDao]

1) Because of Henry's design, we know that his aim is to completely overcome and be stronger than the person or being/creation he is in front of, and we saw this when he came to the same height as Yan-sen (I say this with the valid argument in his profile). This can be expanded to any finite dimension at defined levels and can be done through logical inferences. Even though a larger infinite 12-dimensional space is mentioned here, the white area will still be larger than that. So, the result here is that it is understood that any finite space cannot compete with the white space (I hope Sweet also agrees with this opinion). In other words, the white space should be evaluated at least at the 'probably High 1-B' level with a logical framework and comments.

2) The white area of this example is possibly located beyond the von Neumann structure, in short, it is placed in the Low 1-A level. Any dimensional space cannot be beyond the white area and will be evaluated below the existence of the white area. In this case, even though it is a bit absurd, there will be a space beyond any x- or higher-dimensional spaces.

1) Basically, we need the White Space to be accepted as a higher-dimensional structure compared to the 12D universe/space of Henry. Proving this will therefore prove that Henry can reach higher level of dimensionality thanks to his design, which will result in him being able to go any finite number of dimensions.

The White Space wouldn't be High 1-B, no, it would at most be 13D. The only thing that could potentially be High 1-B is Yan Sen.

2) No, I don't think the White Space can be Low 1-A. I understand your reasoning, and I've thought of the same thing, but we have too little information about it to truly make such an assumption.

 

[Floxiaaa]

1) Basically, we need the White Space to be accepted as a higher-dimensional structure compared to the 12D universe/space of Henry. Proving this will therefore prove that Henry can reach higher level of dimensionality thanks to his design, which will result in him being able to go any finite number of dimensions.

The White Space wouldn't be High 1-B, no, it would at most be 13D. The only thing that could potentially be High 1-B is Yan Sen.

2) No, I don't think the White Space can be Low 1-A. I understand your reasoning, and I've thought of the same thing, but we have too little information about it to truly make such an assumption.

The comments were so much on white ground that I confused it with yan-sen. Yes, it's really my fault, but Yan-Sen has situations that are suitable for High 1-B level.

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Bump

 

[Floxiaaa]

we need a staff person

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Bump

 

[Enter_Bluey]

This got stuck in a limbo eh...not that my vote will matter but if the whole 1B stuff gets approved I think possibly high 1-B probably can work. Not sure if gaining power to break a 13D realm is enough to assume all that though, in which case 13D then 14D yansen may be safer. Would've liked to see some more discussion on that but uhhh...rip

Funny how the setting ability gets compared to last boss, they are kinda similar. Well...ignoring the fact they ignore settings.

Good luck with this thread if it gets life again

 

[SweetDao]

Not sure if gaining power to break a 13D realm is enough to assume all that though, in which case 13D then 14D yansen may be safer. Would've liked to see some more discussion on that but uhhh...rip

I would like more discussion too, but in the end, it's pretty straightforward, if the white space isn't valid for 13D, everything falls apart (beside, perhaps, Yan Sen being +1D)

In any case, I'll wait for the new chapters (almost 2 months of wait and no news regarding when it will be release) since it could probably help this thread.

 

[Floxiaaa]

I would like more discussion too, but in the end, it's pretty straightforward, if the white space isn't valid for 13D, everything falls apart (beside, perhaps, Yan Sen being +1D)

In any case, I'll wait for the new chapters (almost 2 months of wait and no news regarding when it will be release) since it could probably help this thread.

Maybe we should discussing for Low 1-A. I think with a enough statement and explain we can get Low 1-A

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Maybe we should discussing for Low 1-A. I think with a enough statement and explain we can get Low 1-A

How?

 

[Floxiaaa]

By manipulating Henry's plot and gaining context, of course. The character's constant desire to equalize himself and become stronger will eventually enable him to become logically superior to his opponent. However, if we think of Yan-Sen as a transcendent being, “the only being that is superior to setting,” this puts Yan-Sen in a category of being that he cannot be equaled in any way. Henry managed to put himself on the same level as Yan-sen (who is considered in this profile). Compared to here, the character can expand himself to any size. But Yan-sen, who is beyond measure, must have a power that he cannot logically equal. Therefore, whether it is an x-dimensional or y-dimensional space, the power of yan-sen must be a power beyond dimensional concepts. I think any NLF comments that could be made here would go against the nature of Yan-Sen and Henry's manipulation of the plot.

 

[Floxiaaa]

I'm not entirely convinced that the White Space is 13D. If Henry's space is 12D, then it wouldn't need to be infinite to contain an infinite lower-dimensional universe. While the mention of a hierarchy of spaces does seem to be talking about spatial dimensions, there's no reason to assume the White Space is 13D. Additionally, using the consciousness statement to argue for this is speculative at best; it's more plausible that the White Space is simply an infinite 12D space.

This could explain why Henry couldn't affect it until he used his full power, as he was operating at a finite 12D level. Anyway, until we talk about this I won't mention the rest of the CRT, since it hinged on the 13D White Space argument.

So what do we need to get from here? Isn't it because the character has the power to be 'adjusted' to greater infinities? The size scaling of the white area is not very important here. Here in general, while still trying to equalize himself with Yan-Sen, Henry, who became able to influence the "white-space", which is a larger infinity, showed that he could expand his setting to larger levels of infinity. In this case, I think it is normal that it could potentially be expanded to limited numbers such as 100D or 1050D. Yan-Sen should be placed at least in the High 1-B level as it exceeds this setting.