Bill Cipher vs White Face, muh downgrade squad.

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Since I singlehandedly took away the most useful abilities of the former, and helped Matt do so for the latter, I'll make em fight.

Both have prior knowledge and 5 minutes to prepare.

After 1 hour of prep time, a portal opens between Bill's dimension (the one where his lackeys stay, not the one he destroyed) and WF's game world.

Speed Equal

Bill Cipher

White Face

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

At this point WF can't handle low godly, and bill can just mind control ivan

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

His erasure does get around low-godly. Files still contain mind and body.

And he doesn't mind-control people. He either posseses their bodies, impossible here, or enters their mind, which needs him to tackle the enemy physically with his dreamscaper form.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

So this is 2-A Bill vs 2-C WF?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes. AP isn't a way to victory regardless

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

2-A bill?

So, bill punches WF super hard and WF dies?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

2-A bill?
So, bill punches WF super hard and WF dies?

He can't punch it, no.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Doesn't WF still have his two levels of Non-Corporeality?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Causality Manipulation

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

When will you stop just randomly listing abilities and start to actually explain what the character will do?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Zach, this would be the fourth time I explain why that doesn't work.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I've never even seen Bill use causality manipulation onscreen.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

He didn't, it comes from a statement he made.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Well, and scaling to time baby

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

So yeah, an ability that we don't know how it works since we've never seen him use it.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

That's like, 99% of his good abilities.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He will start by opening a portal to the nightmare realm, assuming it isn't already there. After that, he will likely try to hide away and go into it's mind in his 11-A form, asa his other hax is useless here.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Can Wf get pass Bill's Quantum Uncertainty?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes, since it doesn't help with erasure, his main method to kill enemies.

 

[The_Archdemon]

1) How doesn't it help? He should have Type 7 Immortality to an absurd degree.

2) His erasure beats Low-Godly?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Immortality type 5 doesn't help with it. Type 7 does nothing to it.

Please read the actual thread before commenting.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

White face doesent have soul manipulation

 

[The_Archdemon]

If he's already erased, he can't be again you now

 

[The_Archdemon]

And vice versa

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

White face doesent have soul manipulation

You don't get soul manipulation for erasing it. That is a standard part of a decently powerful erasure.

And I gave a reasoning ot why it works here, especially as Bill's low-godly works by using his mind, not soul.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

If he's already erased, he can't be again you now

What? Legitimatly what?

 

[The_Archdemon]

You know, that's literally what he claims out to be.

"I exist in a state of quantum uncertainty which means everything I am I'm also not."
If he's not erased he also is. And if he is he's also not.

Quite NLFish I suppose, but also quite usable, since he was not dead from the start in the whole "lol erased you from Stan's mind" thing.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Are you goddamn serious..?

You realize he was canonically erased right? At most you will get that removed due to being inconsistent like the other reddit stuff.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And no. He needed to invoke the godtier of the verse to survive the erasure.

 

[The_Archdemon]

As was Stan's mind canronically erased kk.

Did you keep up with the Cipher Hunt? Well, he's canonically alive you know.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes. And you know why? Like, seriously, it's on his goddamn page.

Look a this ressurection.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Shouldn't it be more type 8 reliant on axolotl?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Shouldn't it be more type 8 reliant on axolotl?

No. It's an enchantment that he could, as far as we know, use once.

Type 8 is passive.

 

[The_Archdemon]

And no. He needed to invoke the godtier of the verse to survive the erasure.

This is the non-canon thing. IIRC Axolotl only shows up in a non-cano choose-you-ending book. Hirsch said the book was not canon (though he said it contains a "huge canon secret", one cannot arbitrarily assume he was talking about this one).

For all we actually know, that "spell" of his was... barely something.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No. He is directly stated to be a thing in the canonical books that you buy. Hell, his apearence there has nothing to do with this at all regardless, since he only alludes to bill summoning him.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But no, he does not have the ability to do any of what you just said. His quantum existence only works for stuff like dead and alive, and you cannot assume anything more without actual proof for it.

Erasure thing was not accepted, so make a crt for it.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The "huge canon secret" is clearly Axolotl; heck, Axolotl was even mentioned in the show as Bill's last words, plus that part of the book is meant to hint us about what happened to Bill.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He was mainly mentioned by Bill in the books you buy. Well, in one of his codes anyways.

Or I guess journal, if you want to call them that.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Hmm... well I'll look more deeply into this.

Anyway, you're voting for WF for his EE right?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

What? I'm the OP, and I wouldn't vote for him regardless.