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Ben 10 Cosmology: High 1-B upgrade

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I disagree via Qawsedf’s reasons. It's incalculable not because it is infinite-dimensional/above that, but because you can't calculate it with math in that context.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Per the Tiering System:

High 1-B: High Hyperverse level​

Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy infinite-dimensional space. Characters who can meddle with spaces whose number of dimensions is uncountably infinite should have a "+" modifier in their Attack Potency section (High Hyperverse level+).

Low 1-A: Low Outerverse level​

Characters whose power is on the level of the Von Neumann Universe. That is, they either encompass, or can affect structures which encompass, the collection including all possible dimensional spaces.

As a general rule-of-thumb, statements of being "above dimensions" and the like, whenever validly indicating a superiority over higher dimensions, fall under this tier without further context. See here for more information.

The Comic Statements:

"We are beings from an incalculable dimension that defies the limits of space and time. A glorious universe unfathomable to a primitive mind such as yours"

"My formal denomination and the breadth of my functionality are incomprehensible to a lower life from"

"The final destination of our heroic voyage on this celebrated Transdimensional vessel is a small, insignificant blue planet in this star system, on which lies our destiny"

FAQ:

Q: What tier is transcending dimensions?​

A: If it refers to an actual superiority over dimensions, then there are two options available for such statements: They can either be Low 1-A, inasmuch as generic superiority over dimensions can be expressed by a structure like a proper class, a generalization of the concept of mathematical sets to collections that are deemed "too big" to be such. For example: The proper class containing all vector spaces exceeds all vector space dimensions, and this can be generalized to even wider collections.

Opinion:

I can see how the language being used can suggest a Low 1-A relationship. An incalculable, unfathomable, and incomprehensible "space" to lower life forms would still be a quantitative "space" but more than just something uncountable.
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Are you alluding that this would upscale the Space beyond to Low 1-A?
I wouldn't mind if the staffs take some time to decide.
 
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On a second thought, I'm leaning to agree towards Low 1-A suggestion given by Firestorm.
It would be something like a seperate Universe inside the Space Beyond which is incalculable and unfathomable i.e. it is quantifiable but also greater than uncountably infinite because it defies the limits of space and time. So this would only suggest a Low 1-A Universe existing, which by extension would make 'The Space Beyond/Omniverse' Low 1-A as well.
@Firestorm808 Correct me if I'm wrong
 
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I disagree via Qawsedf’s reasons. It's incalculable not because it is infinite-dimensional/above that, but because you can't calculate it with math in that context.
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If it's not gonna be H1B then it's gonna be L1A as this space is now supposedly incalculably beyond the limitations of spatiotemporality as whole or smth.
"As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar."
Minos_the_Judge said:
Bump your ass
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Celestial_Scaler25 said:
If it's not gonna be H1B then it's gonna be L1A as this space is now supposedly incalculably beyond the limitations of spatiotemporality as whole or smth.
"As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar."

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Does Alien X and other characters that are 1-B instantly upgrade to Low 1-A?
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
If it's not gonna be H1B then it's gonna be L1A as this space is now supposedly incalculably beyond the limitations of spatiotemporality as whole or smth.
"As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar."
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Not really. “Incalculable” is because you can’t calculate it with math. Not because it is whatever higher-dimensional.
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
If it's not gonna be H1B then it's gonna be L1A as this space is now supposedly incalculably beyond the limitations of spatiotemporality as whole or smth.
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My point was that it's either a non-feat or its Low 1-A. The High 1-B justification doesn't work for the current tiering system, which is why Firestorm agreed that the statement if taken as a feat would make the space Low 1-A.
 
Greenshifter said:
Do you have an answer to my point of there being multiple layers of space and time in Ben 10?
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Having layers still means you can calculate it, since it's just adding a bigger thing onto an existing figure. It doesn't change any of my previous points.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
No. I don't think it's a feat at all.

I do agree that of it was a feat, then it would be Low 1-A though.
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Celestial_Scaler25 said:
What do you mean you don't think of it as a feat?
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If they lack spatiotemporality due to being abstract but still surpassing the limitations of dimensionality of spatiotemporality as a whole then it would still be L1A.
"As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar."
 
Greenshifter said:
The thing you add can just be so big, you can no longer calculate its dimensionality?
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In the new system; no. Per the FAQ you can take a 1-D object and fold it until you have a Woden/Strong Inaccessible Cardinal through this principal. The act of being superior to something can therefore be taken to a mathematical infinite.

It's why 1-A requires a complete system separation and why High 1-B+ / Low 1-A are (compared to the older system) easier to obtain.
 
Incalculable is too shaky and vague for such an upgrade imo
A LOT of verses make use of words like "immeasurable" "incomprehensible" etc that while having infinity established while not coming close to having an infinite D cosmology and the word is generally used hyperbolically too


but a possibly L1A rating might be reasonable due to the statement of defying the limits of time and space
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Incalculable is too shaky and vague for such an upgrade imo
A LOT of verses make use of words like "immeasurable" "incomprehensible" etc that while having infinity established while not coming close to having an infinite D cosmology and the word is generally used hyperbolically too
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That has been clarified in the 1st question of the CRT
Ghostimuscrime said:
but a possibly L1A rating might be reasonable due to the statement of defying the limits of time and space
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Hope the staffs agree with a logical conclusion for either of them
 
Hellformer said:
That has been clarified in the 1st question of the CRT

Hope the staffs agree with a logical conclusion for either of them
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I've reread that answer multiple times, I still don't think that statement qualifies for H1B as infinite dimensions is a complex thing, it's a tier far beyond the scope of 1B and the statement lacks the precision that highlights the gravity of having an infinite number of dimensions.
 
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