Ben 10 - Annihilargg

[DonkeySlayer06]

I will explain it simply.

As you know, Annihilarg's explosion in the universe was scaled to 2A, while the explosion in the white nothingness was possibly scaled to 1B. When I watch the episodes again, it doesn't say that the two Annihilargs are different. So both should logically be considered the same.
When Alien X was recreating the universe, Benjamin said, "Everything I have is inside her!" Serena and Bellicus replied, "It was in it, technically." They were referring to the erasure of the universe and everything.


In other parallel universes, all the Smothie logos have changed.



I propose that Annihilarg's explosion, both in the universe and in the White Nothingness, be upgraded to possibly 1B in its entirety.

Agree: @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Barry_Ken, @Spectra_Schiffer @LuffyRuffy46307,@Ghengiroo115, @Ednaxel2 @TheShape03 @Reiner04 @zaraus @NXCHT.66 @Aolphl @ByArrow
@DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Currently nutral (if no counterarguments provided, then I will agree) but my vote doesn't matter much (waiting for staff)
Edit _: all other timelines also had changes like Mr Smoothies building change so it possibly applies to timestream and hypertimestream (I am changing vote to agreeeeeeeee)

 

[Barry_Ken]

Look good, argree

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I agree

 

[Reiner04]

Any evidence that more than local universe was erased?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Of course, i completely agree with that.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Any evidence that more than local universe was erased?

Assuming @OMNIVERSAL-KING is right then alternate universe Mr. Smoothies have the post-Annihilaargh design. Also correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the green and white hoodie also something that’s only post-Annihilaargh yet No Watch Ben wears it?

Aside from that I feel it would just be assumed to be at the same level as its creation. Nothing says it isn’t the same level, and in A New Dawn its creation and destruction capabilities are treated as exact opposites by the characters with no implication that they’re different in potency. Plus iirc the destruction aspect comes from the Annihilaargh trying to create a new universe, but since there’s already a universe there they both end up cancelling each other out. Seems weird for two equal forces to cancel each other out, yet have the destruction only extend up to a single timeline instead of the entire structure.

EDIT: If it wasn’t already obvious then I agree. Means my Infinite LS proposal for Feedback is down the gutter now but oh well.

 

[Reiner04]

Assuming @OMNIVERSAL-KING is right then alternate universe Mr. Smoothies have the post-Annihilaargh design. Also correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the green and white hoodie also something that’s only post-Annihilaargh yet No Watch Ben wears it?

Aside from that I feel it would just be assumed to be at the same level as its creation. Nothing says it isn’t the same level, and in A New Dawn its creation and destruction capabilities are treated as exact opposites by the characters with no implication that they’re different in potency. Plus iirc the destruction aspect comes from the Annihilaargh trying to create a new universe, but since there’s already a universe there they both end up cancelling each other out. Seems weird for two equal forces to cancel each other out, yet have the destruction only extend up to a single timeline instead of the entire structure.

K. I think I agree for now.

 

[Ednaxel2]

I agree this seems really simple

 

[DonkeySlayer06]

Any evidence that more than local universe was erased?

Smoothies also changed in the Benjamin timelines in other Parallel Universes.

 

[TheShape03]

Smoothies also changed in the Benjamin timelines in other Parallel Universes.

Weren't those just other dimensions within the same universe?

Regardless, I'm inclined to agree.

 

[Reiner04]

Weren't those just other dimensions within the same universe?

No.

Regardless, I'm inclined to agree.

Yeah it doesn't matter if logo was changed in other universes or not since logo wasn't changed even within one timeline entirely (past).

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Also correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the green and white hoodie also something that’s only post-Annihilaargh yet No Watch Ben wears it?

Good point

 

[zaraus]

l agree

 

[NXCHT.66]

looks alright, i agree

 

[Aolphl]

Seems fine, agreed

 

[DonkeySlayer06]

One of the Moderators or Admins should come

 

[ByArrow]

Seems fine, agree

 

[Ednaxel2]

Wait I'm sorry but why is it whenever the prime verse is referring to "universe" it's actually talking about the universe the characters are in AND the other infinite universes? This has always confused me

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Wait I'm sorry but why is it whenever the prime verse is referring to "universe" it's actually talking about the universe the characters are in AND the other infinite universes? This has always confused me

Ben 10 just doesn’t like to use its terminology consistently. Sometimes “universe” is just the dimension based on our universe, sometimes “universe” is the entire prime timeline and sometimes “universe” is just everything. Same goes for “dimension” as well (Dimension 12 refers to a part of the Prime timeline while Dimension 23 refers to an alternate timeline). Basically you just look for context clues to figure out which one they’re talking about at the time.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Ben 10 just doesn’t like to use its terminology consistently. Sometimes “universe” is just the dimension based on our universe, sometimes “universe” is the entire prime timeline and sometimes “universe” is just everything. Same goes for “dimension” as well (Dimension 12 refers to a part of the Prime timeline while Dimension 23 refers to an alternate timeline). Basically you just look for context clues to figure out which one they’re talking about at the time.

What examples are there of the entire prime timeline being referred to as just a universe?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

What examples are there of the entire prime timeline being referred to as just a universe?

The main one is that Kevin refers to the universe as “everything” (despite knowing about the Null Void, Legerdomain and Dimension 12). The universes seen in that episode are timelines as in Omniverse we seemingly see the Space Beyond during the No Watch Ben two-parter. That’s as much as I can understand anyway, maybe there’s more.

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Ben 10 just doesn’t like to use its terminology consistently. Sometimes “universe” is just the dimension based on our universe, sometimes “universe” is the entire prime timeline and sometimes “universe” is just everything. Same goes for “dimension” as well (Dimension 12 refers to a part of the Prime timeline while Dimension 23 refers to an alternate timeline). Basically you just look for context clues to figure out which one they’re talking about at the time.

We can use joy Kelly's statement to finish confusion (universe is made up of multiverses made up of universes)

 

[Ghengiroo115]

We can use joy Kelly's statement to finish confusion (universe is made up of multiverses made up of universes)

Haven’t seen that statement before. Do you have a link?

 

[Reiner04]

Haven’t seen that statement before. Do you have a link?

Joe Kelly statements aren't accepted here due to their extent of exaggeration and leading stuff.

 

[Reiner04]

I have seen bros asking "Is Alien X cOmpLeX mUltzIvErSaL". Dawg.

 

[DonkeySlayer06]

Bump

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Haven’t seen that statement before. Do you have a link?

Just a reference (statment it's even needed due to screenplay and it's already accepted that branching timestream has infinite universes acting as a "multiverse of dimensions" )

 

[Hellformer]

Agree

 

[DemonicDude]

Firestorm admin needs to be here, i will inform him.

 

[Hellformer]

Bump

 

[Hellformer]

If this gets accepted then shouldn't Alien X get Immeasurable Lifting Strength? Since he lifted and recreated all of time stream which is 26-D.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I agree

 

[Ghengiroo115]

If this gets accepted then shouldn't Alien X get Immeasurable Lifting Strength? Since he lifted and recreated all of time stream which is 26-D.

Pretty sure he only has Infinite for moving galaxies. I don’t think he would have Immeasurable if this goes through but I very well might be wrong since I don’t know LS stuff that great.

 

[DonkeySlayer06]

If this gets accepted then shouldn't Alien X get Immeasurable Lifting Strength? Since he lifted and recreated all of time stream which is 26-D.

Yes, it will, and not only that. Alien X 26D creates the universe out of its own body. These are other revision issues, the mods should come now.

 

[Hellformer]

Yes, it will, and not only that. Alien X 26D creates the universe out of its own body. These are other revision issues, the mods should come now.

26-D existence?

 

[Hellformer]

Pretty sure he only has Infinite for moving galaxies. I don’t think he would have Immeasurable if this goes through but I very well might be wrong since I don’t know LS stuff that great.

Yea but he must have lifted and Recreated the time stream as well which wasn't shown on screen but it did happen

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Yea but he must have lifted and Recreated the time stream as well which wasn't shown on screen but it did happen

Maybe? I’m pretty sure you don’t usually get LS for that though unless it’s shown on-screen (like the galaxies are). Or else wouldn’t that give every Tier 1 creation feat Immeasurable LS?

 

[Hellformer]

Maybe? I’m pretty sure you don’t usually get LS for that though unless it’s shown on-screen (like the galaxies are). Or else wouldn’t that give every Tier 1 creation feat Immeasurable LS?

Not creation but lifting as well. I mean they can't show every timeline being created all accross the hypertime stream so that's not a valid way to disprove it

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Not creation but lifting as well. I mean they can't show every timeline being creation all accross the hypertime stream so that's not a valid way to disprove it

I guess if he’s already confirmed to be moving galaxies then it would be kinda weird if he just stopped there. Eh I’ll just wait to see what anyone else thinks.