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That was the point of contention.Planck69 said:
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Battle for the strongest 8-C
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I mean tbh, I'm in the camp of people who belive that if souls are never mentioned in-verse, then we shouldn't assume they exist.Planck69 said:
This opinion of mine tripples when talking about non-magical verses, which I believe prototype falls under.
Virus's aren't even considered living things biologically. So there's that as well.
It's debatable if Viruses are "living".
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They are once they infect someone so yes.TheCrimsonEbonyCrawlingChaos said:
Also souls never being mentioned doesn't make the verse souless. Medaka tried, didn't end well.
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It's not an "arbitrary weakness". It's what's called "a default assumption".
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The problem with making that assumption would be that they're suddenly immune to a hax despite never showing such. We'd basically be giving them capabilities at that point.
It's one thing for a character to tap into a weakness inherent to the hax or have some kind ability that renders a hax useless like Ascausality and Fate/Probability manipulation. But to say that a verse is immune to a hax because they don't deal with the certain conditions would be a step too far.
It's one thing for a character to tap into a weakness inherent to the hax or have some kind ability that renders a hax useless like Ascausality and Fate/Probability manipulation. But to say that a verse is immune to a hax because they don't deal with the certain conditions would be a step too far.
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psychic powers originate form the soul in warhammer my guy and the point you are ignoring in it discription is that the psyk-granade is formed from the psychic resedue form the golden thrown and it directly messes with a persons connection to the warp and in people who have greater connection to it such as psychers it cause flat out erasuer of their being as all of their supernatural powers drawn form their powerful souls turns inwards and rips them apart.
also the incap require that the opponent is out for more then 24 hours not just an hour
also the incap require that the opponent is out for more then 24 hours not just an hour
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The grenade works on both psychics and non-psychic. It's simply worse and has more effects on actual psykers.
Also, straight from SBA:
Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.
What you're talking about is prevent the person from harming/fighting their opponent. If you can actually knock them out, it's only an hour.
Also, straight from SBA:
Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.
What you're talking about is prevent the person from harming/fighting their opponent. If you can actually knock them out, it's only an hour.
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I've been here a while Earl. You don't have to tell me how we treat things.
I'm just displaying my disapproval with such a ruling.
And yes, it's absolutely arbitrary.
It's more a anti NLF, since saying someone is completely immune to something because no one has used a stronger version in their verse is NLF.
I'm just displaying my disapproval with such a ruling.
And yes, it's absolutely arbitrary.
It's more a anti NLF, since saying someone is completely immune to something because no one has used a stronger version in their verse is NLF.
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C2 of Omegon
regular people are still connected to the warp my guy psyker or not and psykers are just people with more powerful souls
as for the incap my mistake forgot about the knock out portion
regular people are still connected to the warp my guy psyker or not and psykers are just people with more powerful souls
as for the incap my mistake forgot about the knock out portion
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It's not a NLF. In order for it to be NLF there would need to be a commonality in play. Based on logical thought experiments.
For example: "Minds are never mentioned, so minds don't exist, threrefore this character cannot be mind controlled."
^This is more akin to NLF (Although I'm sure there's different name for it, NLF is just more popular)
This doesn't work with souls because unlike minds, which at the very least are based in reality (As a mind is merely one's consciousness and/or thought process), souls don't have that.
It's not based in reality. Nor is it a thought experiment like fate. Or mathmatically proven like probability.
In other words, there's no reason to assume souls exist unlike other weaknesses innate to humans , like the mind.
It's not a NLF. In order for it to be NLF there would need to be a commonality in play. Based on logical thought experiments.
For example: "Minds are never mentioned, so minds don't exist, threrefore this character cannot be mind controlled."
^This is more akin to NLF (Although I'm sure there's different name for it, NLF is just more popular)
This doesn't work with souls because unlike minds, which at the very least are based in reality (As a mind is merely one's consciousness and/or thought process), souls don't have that.
It's not based in reality. Nor is it a thought experiment like fate. Or mathmatically proven like probability.
In other words, there's no reason to assume souls exist unlike other weaknesses innate to humans , like the mind.
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Tbf i can see Yung's point. Some verses just...don't imply souls at all. Though at the same time, we can either go for 1 or the other, so we have to default to something.
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No Limits Fallacies are about the limits of abilities. For instance, Saitama hasn't been shown to struggle with any of his opponents, but that doesn't make him unbeatable, it just means we assume his limit to be around the strongest opponent he's beaten. That's more of an argument from ignorance.YungManzi said:
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I'm not sure how a person with soul hax can manipulate someone's soul... if they don't have a soul.
Though I imagine that saying "souls aren't based in reality" could be pretty controversial, considering our policies on religion and how souls are a pretty key part of the main religions.
Though I imagine that saying "souls aren't based in reality" could be pretty controversial, considering our policies on religion and how souls are a pretty key part of the main religions.
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Because those people who do believe in souls existing would say it's accurate as it is. People being offended isn't the problem, it's that with the current reasoning this could very easily turn into a debate about whether souls exist or not, which I'm sure no one really wants.
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I mean. Religious people know that souls are based on faith and dedication, not science or thought experiment.
Well, maybe it's different in places which are really conservative in their beliefs (Like, far more than I'm used to over here). But I don't think those kind of people would be arguing on a verses thread forum.
Well, maybe it's different in places which are really conservative in their beliefs (Like, far more than I'm used to over here). But I don't think those kind of people would be arguing on a verses thread forum.
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I don't know if mind hax would work on Alex, it is still based in the Assasin being a blank, which doesn't mean much for a completely soulless being. I am pretty sure that he resists mind hax already and isn't vulnerable to blanks like Ahriman (since he was brought up before.) Phasing won't help too much since he will need to enter reality to cause harm to Alex and skill won't get around Alex's hax.GyroNutz said:
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