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Battle for 10th Strongest Low 2-C, Medea vs Poseidon
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So Medea passively nukes the universe.
Before that, due to her Immeasurable Reactions, she can hit Poseidon with Infinity Destroyer.
She has a fragment somewhere in the infinite Shield Hero multiverse, so nothing done to the fighting part on her will affect her true/full self.
That much as an opener.
Before that, due to her Immeasurable Reactions, she can hit Poseidon with Infinity Destroyer.
She has a fragment somewhere in the infinite Shield Hero multiverse, so nothing done to the fighting part on her will affect her true/full self.
That much as an opener.
DivineAura44
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Does Medea have any way to permanently put down Poseidon?
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Infinity Destroyer also destroys all future versions. So if he, at any point in time, regenerates he will immediately be erased again. Whether you consider it incap or death is up to you, but it should let her win.
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Does his resistance to Death Manipulation cover that?
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Given the lack of concept resistance it doesn't.
DivineAura44
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I wasn't asking whether or not it would stop the Infinite Destroyer. More asking if his resistance would allow him to living in spite of it. If the answer remains the same then I'd like to ask the activation for it.
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Yeah, the answer remains the same.
What do you mean with activation?
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Of Infinity Destroyer. Is it passive, thought-based, incantation based etc.
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Immeasurable attack speed. It hits before even being launched. So faster than passive.
Oliver_de_jesus
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right, i forgot that now the special attacks are not equalized in Speed =
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Just realized you already said that. Man I'm a dumbass. Whelp if his ability to live in spite of the permanent destruction of Typhon's Soul and Body isn't enough to bypass infinity destroyer, I don't see how he wins.
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Yeah. (Well, they get downscaled to the same amount but if you're Supersonic with Immeasurable Attacks that makes no difference)
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I guess because of that she wins, now she has to fight against Sonic
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I won't be able to respond until sometime tomorrow been busy lately
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If the version of Medea that Poseidon is fighting was killed, what exactly would happen?
Does she just bring out another fragment from another universe and substitute out the one that was killed or does she create an entirely new version from her soul, or could she do both?
Does she just bring out another fragment from another universe and substitute out the one that was killed or does she create an entirely new version from her soul, or could she do both?
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She could split off a new fragment. She is unlikely to ever want to go with just one fragment.
Whether she would want to have that fragment engage directly is debatable. There is a good chance that if her self in the universe is killed she would just throw attacks over multiversal distance.
She could also bring out a version from another universe, if she has one in place. I don't think it makes much of a difference?
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She needs powers for these tbh and seperate keys. One key for the fragment (Which is the version we see fighting), and a key for her true form.
Immortality (Type 1, 3, 6 & 9. Her true form will continue to send attacks and fragments after this fragment is destroyed) | All previous abilities except type 6 and 9 Immortality, Higher-Dimensional Existence, Large Size (Type 9), Avatar Creation
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The "true form" is identical to the one we see fighting for all we know, except maybe more powerful to some unquantified extent. It doesn't have HDE or any of that stuff, cause it doesn't exist on a higher plane or anything like that.
Fragments are a soul split apart. They aren't avatars. They are all parts of the same entity in an equal fashion, just that depending on the size some are more powerful than others.
Hence having separate keys for the "true form" would be weird: With our limited knowledge it is basically exactly identical to the usual one.
Medea should rather get something like Hive Mind Type 2, I guess, for being one entity made up of many bodies with multiple minds.
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Remember the explanation that Medea just existing would destroy the world and she needed to fuse seven worlds together in order to manifest? And that was the whole point of the waves? That seems to be at least type 8 Large size and HDE.
This is true, but I'm pretty sure that's still avatar creation, since she's making weaker versions of herself which don't have her memories.
Only certain fragments have her memories, even though they all have a piece of her soul. So not quite hive mind.
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would passive paralysis work on her
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Basically, if it's not immeasurable, she can just blitz before it hits.
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Speed is equal here, but time travel is a function of her immeasurable speed and an in-character move.
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Oliver_de_jesus
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She can, Bitch has CM and Type 2 not make you untouchable like Type 2
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I mean
a) Immeasurable
b) Unless it has multiversal+ range some fragment of Medea is unaffected
From a glance at the profile he lacks Multiversal+ range, so he might have trouble getting rid of her Fragments. Don't really know his stuff well, though.
Conceptual attacks, so yeah.
Which is an issue of her being too powerful for a regular universe to contain. It doesn't grant HDE. HDE is... you know, a geometrical property. You don't get an extra degree of freedom of movement just because you passively destroy universes.
Even those weaker versions are split parts of her soul, so I would argue it's just unequal parts of her hive mind. She doesn't create a lesser physical form which her true form controls or anything.
Would argue it still qualifies. There is nothing in the hive mind description stating they all have to share memories. Multiple Selves is even listed as one possible use of Hive Mind.
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is it possible to incap her avatar or whatever it is lol? like prevent her from moving kind of incap
edit: Also im not seeing resistance to mind manipulation. like does the Avatar, or whatever is lol, have to be killed before she can make a new one?
Edit 2: yeah that immeasurable speed will defeat any SS character currently
im only just about 30 to 45 days away from doing one of the largest total verse overhauls the wiki has every seen involving Saint Seiya. Poseidon won't be Low 2-C After that anyways.
edit: Also im not seeing resistance to mind manipulation. like does the Avatar, or whatever is lol, have to be killed before she can make a new one?
Edit 2: yeah that immeasurable speed will defeat any SS character currently
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It doesn’t have to die other version of her can just show up.
but yeah, as DT said you essentially need 2-A range to permanently incap or kill her.
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And beyond just 2-A range you probably need transtemporal range as well (Range across all of time in infinite worlds)
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so basically there isn't a way for any SS Character to put her down..... because immeasurable speed and range issues..
yeah i bleieve she should win this
yeah i bleieve she should win this
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By the way, I was thinking that this power for her fragmented souls being split across the multiverse is actually Type 3 Acausality. I knew we had a name for it, but I forgot what it was lol.
By the way, I was thinking that this power for her fragmented souls being split across the multiverse is actually Type 3 Acausality. I knew we had a name for it, but I forgot what it was lol.
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You mean the fragments infinitely less powerful than her and with none of her abilities?
While the result is similar, I don't think that's accurate mechanically. Like, Type 4 Acausality is for people that have that due to being acausal. It's for people who have that due to a strange relationship with cause and effect. It's for characters that have past or future versions that can act independently of the present version and stuff like that.
Medea has it simply due to splitting her soul into pieces. She also has versions of her in different universes, but the mechanism behind it is not acausality of any type.
So I still propose Hive Mind Type 2 as most accurate description of what happens.
Oliver_de_jesus
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I don't want to be rude, but should you two move this to a CRT(?)
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No it's fine. I'll delete my post. Me and DT just don't agree on anything when it comes to the SH WN and, with us being the only two active supporters, it creates random arguments like this.
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No problem man
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