Strongest Non-Smurf Low 2-C (Discussion)

[azontr]

Where exactly are you suggesting Arata be placed?

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

For now, I will find out first, because it will be very difficult if arata fights with characters who have ae1/nep.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I want to ask, do they use speed?

 

[Megaraptor149]

For now, I will find out first, because it will be very difficult if arata fights with characters who have ae1/nep.

Unfortunately, Parca has that. AE1 which abstraction on Concept (Type 1) and also Potential NEP (Aspect 1, Nature 2)

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Unfortunately, Parca has that. AE1 which abstraction on Concept (Type 1) and also Potential NEP (Aspect 1, Nature 2)

yeh

I will look for a character who doesn't have that kind of thing.

 

[Megaraptor149]

yeh

I will look for a character who doesn't have that kind of thing.

Takeover Giygas first

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Yes, I think Arata can beat Giygas, because defensively and offensively, Arata is much better.

However, AE1 Arata is not just about one thing, he is an illusion, a dream, a vision, and a reality.

So, Giygas position will be replaced by Arata.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

btw, why is Sertrous in the first position?

 

[YungManzi]

btw, why is Sertrous in the first position?

Because he’s a DnD character and they hax every hax resistance and bypass imaginable with hundreds of layers kek.

 

[azontr]

Mori Dan victims tbh

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Because he’s a DnD character and they hax every hax resistance and bypass imaginable with hundreds of layers kek.

OMG

 

[Megaraptor149]

Mori Dan victims tbh

Let's upgrade him to 2-C to become Kratos victim

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Because he’s a DnD character and they hax every hax resistance and bypass imaginable with hundreds of layers kek.

And why does a characters from Destiny take second place?

 

[azontr]

Let's upgrade him to 2-C to become Kratos victim

You're a Goofy goober.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

And why does a characters from Destiny take second place?

countless layers of resistance and hax

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I think Arata can beat Medea, ability-wise.

 

[CodeCCLL]

I think Arata can beat Medea, ability-wise.

Medea has Immortality Type 9 at 2A Distance.

Also, what can Arata do against it?

Infinity Destroyer: Medea can use conceptual attacks to instantly kill her opponents by materializing the concept of death on the target(s) to end their lives. The attack is also imbued with the concept of "bringing an end to all possibilities", allowing it to kill all past, present and future versions of the target(s) and all versions of them in every parallel or divergent world at the same time . She can additionally have the attack destroy the laws of the world and the law of cause and effect.(2A Range)

 

[YungManzi]

Funny thing about ID is that even if you can come back from it or have type 4 acausality or something, it still incaps via killing you at all times all throughout time.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Funny thing about ID is that even if you can come back from it or have type 4 acausality or something, it still incaps via killing you at all times all throughout time.

what do you mean???

 

[YungManzi]

what do you mean???

The ability code just mentioned.
It attacks you all throughout the entire timeline all at once, so even if you can come back from it, you’d just keeping being killed forever resulting in incap.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Yes, I will reply later, right now I'm looking for Arata's abilities and justifications that I collected in the past. (It's gone), but I'll ask my friends. (Let's hope they still have it).

 

[CodeCCLL]

have type 4 acausality or something,

I don't think this applies to all Acausality Type 4 characters.
Some character's Acausality Type 4's(Layered or not) is works almost like Acausality Type 5.

 

[YungManzi]

I don't think this applies to all Acausality Type 4 characters.
Some character's Acausality Type 4's(Layered or not) is works almost like Acausality Type 5.

Well sure in that case

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

However, Arata's magic attacks are based on Conceptual Destruction, as he is an Ultimate Magic user. In addition, Ultimate Magic is said to be able to destroy concepts that exist in the world.

Ultimate Magic is said to be able to destroy concepts that exist in the world even with the power of the Demon Lord, it is very difficult to achieve Magic.


Unlike the Demon Lord in general, Arata here is said to be able to access 3 Thema which makes him reach the Trinity level, with that he already has Ultimate Magic.

Arata also has Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Creation) obtained from scaling his Harem, can Medea destroy Arata?, btw Arata's Time Stop is based on Conceptual Creation & Law Manipulation.

In addition, Arata's Power Nullification can negate some Hax, namely Existence Erasure, Law & Concept. Which makes this Power Nullification an Offensive to nullify Medea's abilities. Arata also has Acausality Type 4 which makes him safe from Medea's Probability Manipulation.

 

[YungManzi]

However, Arata's magic attacks are based on Conceptual Destruction, as he is an Ultimate Magic user. In addition, Ultimate Magic is said to be able to destroy concepts that exist in the world.



Arata also has Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Creation) obtained from scaling his Harem, can Medea destroy Arata?, btw Arata's Time Stop is based on Conceptual Creation & Law Manipulation.

In addition, Arata's Power Nullification can negate some Hax, namely Existence Erasure, Law & Concept. Which makes this Power Nullification an Offensive to nullify Medea's abilities. Arata also has Acausality Type 4 which makes him safe from Medea's Probability Manipulation.

Arata couldn't even do anything to Medea because of the speed difference.

He would just get hit and die over and over again.

Edit:
And before it's brought up, essentially you can't equalize immeasurable speed in a match so speed equal doesn't save him here.

 

[azontr]

And before it's brought up, essentially you can't equalize immeasurable speed in a match so speed equal doesn't save him here.

...Yes, you can. What are you talking about?

 

[YungManzi]

...Yes, you can. What are you talking about?

No, you can't. There were several threads more recently talking about this. Immeasurable speed is essentially treated as a better version of a passive.

 

[azontr]

No, you can't. There were several threads more recently talking about this. Immeasurable speed is essentially treated as a better version of a passive.

...This isn't an argument. Send said threads.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Arata couldn't even do anything to Medea because of the speed difference.

He would just get hit and die over and over again.

Edit:
And before it's brought up, essentially you can't equalize immeasurable speed in a match so speed equal doesn't save him here.

I think Arata can beat Medea, ability-wise.

 

[DontTalkDT]

No, you can't. There were several threads more recently talking about this. Immeasurable speed is essentially treated as a better version of a passive.

Hm? No you can. However, Medea's combat speed is supersonic and that's what characters get equalized to.

Other stats, like reactions, get equalized by the same amount. However, since a fraction of Immeasurable is still Immeasurable, she retains her Immeasurable reactions even in Speed Equal.



Anyway, Arata doesn't have the range to defeat Medea's Fragments, sooo...

 

[YungManzi]

Hm? No you can. However, Medea's combat speed is supersonic and that's what characters get equalized to.

Other stats, like reactions, get equalized by the same amount. However, since a fraction of Immeasurable is still Immeasurable, she retains her Immeasurable reactions even in Speed Equal.

Doesn't this mean it can't be equalized then DT?

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Anyway, Arata doesn't have the range to defeat Medea's Fragments, sooo...

What kind of range?

btw, this is my first time doing a character battle on this forum, do the rules follow SBA?

 

[YungManzi]

Like, if a huge portion and/or key portion of your abilities involves traveling through time via speed, how could we equalize that to linear speed?

 

[azontr]

Like, if a huge portion and/or key portion of your abilities involves traveling through time via speed, how could we equalize that to linear speed?

Sounds like a skill issue.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Doesn't this mean it can't be equalized then DT?

For Medea in particular you basically can't, due to the unique circumstances of having a low combat speed with Immeasurable other stats.

However, take for example an Immeasurable combat speed character fighting a Hypersonic combat speed character. Then the Immeasurable Combat speed would actually get downgraded to Hypersonic, because the rules say that combat speed is always just equalized to the lower value. (However, time travel capabilities and stuff would still be assumed to be present as an ability)

Edit: See the speed equal rules, if you haven't already: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Versus_Thread_Rules#Speed_Equalization_Rules_and_Assumptions

What kind of range?

btw, this is my first time doing a character battle on this forum, do the rules follow SBA?

To affect all of Medea's fragments you basically will need Multiverse level+ range (you need to find and destroy them within an infinite multiverse)

Yeah, SBA and typically speed equal.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Arata does not have 2A Range & Immeasurable Speed.

However, if we use SBA, then Arata only needs to get Victory Conditions from a few things.

But still, Arata does not have Immeasurable Speed to counter it.

If Arata uses NeP Nature 1 & Ae1, then there will be a chance for a draw.

So, Arata would lose because of Medea's Immeasurable Speed.

 

[deonment]

I mean Arata shouldn't even be past Koriel since I see no answer to thought-based info and concept ee

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I mean Arata shouldn't even be past Koriel since I see no answer to thought-based info and concept ee

wdym

 

[deonment]

wdym

Koriel starts with thought based EE up to a CM1 and Info Type 2 level, or removing someone's concept and information from thier being which also power nulls them

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Koriel starts with thought based EE up to a CM1 and Info Type 2 level, or removing someone's concept and information from thier being which also power nulls them

How can he survive the Breakdown Phenomenon that has a lot of Hax?, and also the Breakdown Phenomenon has a layer of hax. Will he be able to survive that?, Also will he be able to release him magic when she has to deal with Power Nullification Arata?, Power Nullification Arata has layers. And, can he survive the Time Stop that is based on Law Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation Type 2?.

Then, how does he interact with Arata who has NeP Nature 1 & Ae1 as visions, realities, dreams, etc.

All the above abilities are Thought-Based