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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Feel like answering this will get me in trouble maybe so gonna pass.
Where's the lying part in this? There is no mention on lies in any of the scans. Cause the rest of these seems to be based off of 'what if Yumachika was just lying to provoke Giselle'.
Or Kubo doesn't believe in gender identity =/= biology and believes gender identity = biology and that Kubo since he doesn't believe he has to point out a difference between the two.
Kubo himself directly identifies Giselle as male seen through the question, the extra pages in shonen jump, Yumichika, and Charlotte.
Where you trying to quote the section? If so just press enter twice.
If the author says otherwise who takes precedent? The author or the character? What happens if other characters basically imply that the character is just crossdressing etc? Do we still take character x information over character y information?
Or Giselle is just a crossdress as seen through their reaction from Yumichika and Charlotte.
Yes if this was true he would have said if not for Klub Kubo and the question posed, along with everything else posted about Giselle.
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Biology. The person questioning Kubo is indicating biology with the use of that language. I’m not asking for what you believe in, just what you think the term means in the context of the statement made.
The second part of “Maybe Yumichika could’ve just been provoking Giselle” implies that Yumichika would have been lying about what he said to Giselle to provoke her. And the statements he made about Giselle were purely in reference to her biology. Further indicating the question is in reference to Giselle’s biology
If this was the case Kubo would never at any point refer to Giselle with female pronouns. He would only refer to her with exclusively male pronouns. He would never refer to her with female pronouns when talking about her at any point. But he does so maybe you don’t know what Kubo thinks?
Kubo was talking about Giselle’s biology in that question, that’s no indication of what he believes her gender identity to be and literally even in all the novels Giselle is still referred to as female by all the characters around her. So I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I accidentally deleted a section and it resulted in that.
But the author didn’t say otherwise since the question was indicating what her biology to be. What her biology is and what her gender identity is are two different things so Kubo can still make that statement and Giselle still be referred to as female. Also what happens if the majority of the characters around them in the majority of instances refer to them as X, why should I take the opinions of one over the majority people more closely associated.
You know she could just be mad that they misgendered her right? Her reaction of being angry could be that.
This doesn’t make any sense. Kubo is Kubo regardless of which medium he is in or who he talking to. He’s still the same person so when asked a question about bleach his statements are still valid.
Also if Kubo believed what you’re saying then he wouldn’t be using female pronouns when talking about Giselle. The fact that he does so clearly means he identifies Giselle as female.
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Peak debating.
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It's asking if Giselle is a male or female. Not if Gisele is a trans male/female and Kubo flat out says Giselle is a male.
When did Yumichika say I'm only talking about Giselle's biology? He didn't. He's talking about in general that Giselle is a male.
What do you know what Kubo thinks? All I have going for my view is the evidence presented. It's basically Occam’s razor, you got to jump through 5 hops to get Giselle as a female while only 3 to get Giselle as a male.
Show where he stated that he was talking about Giselle's biology in this? Don't have the novels or the raws for them so no comment of those.
Okay.
It asks if Giselle is actually a female cause it was put into doubt by Yumichika. Cause the only time Giselle ever genders themselves is when they are being threatened by Yumichika and Ikkaku iirc and that's to save themselves from the two shimigami. It's even further supported that Giselle is a guy by these scans at the end of chapter 615.
Or you know Giselle got called out for sick acts and can't defend themselves so they go straight for the attack which is shown in every instance Giselle gets called out iirc.
What Kubo medium is right then? The one from 3 years ago or the 1 from a couple of months ago?
If Kubo believe that Giselle was a female he would have said Giselle was a female to that question not a dude. He wouldn't have also had info for Giselle and Co at the end of chapter 615 which I posted above.
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Yeah and the question is in reference to whether or not Giselle is biologically male or female. So Kubo answering that Giselle is biologically male there. This has absolutely zero bearing on Giselle’s gender identity though. So so there’s no contradiction with what Kubo said like you’re trying to make it seem.
What is ***** if not part of a male’s biology? He was specifically talking about what Giselle’s genitalia was. Ergo he was talking about biology. What do you mean “in general.”
You were the one who made the claim of what Kubo thinks. And I said if he believed in what you claimed than his actions do not align with what supposed belief. And here’s the thing, I don’t have to jump through any hoops for anything in determining Giselle’s gender. Since there’s no hoops for me to jump in the first place. You on the other hand have to jump quite a few hoops to get to the position you are in now.
What is ***** if not something produced by a male’s genitalia. When Yumichika is talking about the biological functions of a biological male, he is talking about biology.
Cool you literally just proved Giselle refers to herself as a female. They directly said it and what supports that notion is literally all the other characters who are very closely associated with her and the very author himself is referring to her with female pronouns.It asks if Giselle is actually a female cause it was put into doubt by Yumichika. Cause the only time Giselle ever genders themselves is when they are being threatened by Yumichika and Ikkaku iirc and that's to save themselves from the two shimigami. It's even further supported that Giselle is a guy by these scans at the end of chapter 615.
Which is also every instance they are misgendered. So all those instances can be the cause of her being misgendered.
Why does one have to be right over the other? They’re not mutually exclusive claims nor are they contradictory. So neither one needs to be taken over the other. Kubo is referring to her biology in the most recent one but he identifies her as female and uses female pronouns when addressing her. These two statements can exist simultaneously without being contradictory towards each other.
You having to disregard his statements at all is you having to jump through hoops to get to the position where you’re at.
Why would he say Giselle is biologically female? The question was in reference to her biology so why would Kubo answer with anything other than her biology. If Kubo identifies Giselle as a male then he would use male pronouns when talking about him, but he doesn’t, he uses female pronouns. Which means he identifies her as female.
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The question asked is Giselle male or female. Not 'is actually Giselle biologically male/biologically female or identified as male/female.'
He's talking about Giselle obviously. Who else would he be talking about? Is Bambi packing heat?
Yes, cause he pointed out what he thinks by saying Giselle is a dude. He isn't saying Giselle is trans or anything or such which is what you're trying to infer from the question.
Bruh the hoops you jumping through right now to try and say Giselle is a female/trans is more than I have to say by uploading one scan of Kubo saying Giselle is a guy. It's that simple.
It's funny how you ignored the 2 scans but go straight for the manga scan. Like you're trying to push something that isn't there. It's not like the question asked was about this whole situation and Kubo shut it down by saying Giselle was a guy.
Or it's cause the act is up as Yumichika states. Giselle doesn't even deny it.
Cause someone decided to label one as the correct one therefore one is wrong and the other is right. If it was disputed or unknown nothing would have mattered.
Yes, they are. One you have people reaching like yourself claiming he obviously is only talking about biology, not gender identity. While the other(me) is just saying what Kubo said Giselles a dude nothing more nothing less.
Nah that's the people who believe that Giselle = Female when it should be Giselle = Unknown/Giselle = Disputed/Giselle = Male.
No clue why he would say that since his own words say Giselle is a male.
As I already explained one was in the past and the other is now, and he even uses boku/da yo/kimi which all refers to being a male as I already stated and you ignored it since you don't have an answer to it.
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Ulq solos Kisuke while Arc and Animefreak cry themselves asleep.
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Bleach genderscaling
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People want to claim their view >>> the author.
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Already been refuted
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Kisuke solos the Hueco mundo
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Both of y'all fail to comprehend that early AA Kisuke can just be weaker than FKT Kisuke, as he had 3 months to prep for battle. MRK behavior
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I didn't claim theo opposite..
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All the battle prep was for Aizen though.
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The context of the question asked is in reference to her biology. We already gone over this. Context is a thing and the way the question is phrased indicates it’s referring to her biology.
Right, so since Yumichika was talking about the biological functions of a male, he was talking about her biology. Glad we got that covered.
Because she had the biology of a male, so he said she was a male. So he’s talking about her biology. Giselle identifies herself as female which makes her trans.
I’m not jumping through any hoops. Since the scan you posted doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said. You on the other hand have to outright ignore what Kubo’s said, which is all I need to demonstrate to show you’re going through way more mental gymnastics to arrive at the position you’re at. I don’t need to disregard anything Kubo has said since nothing he said contradicts anything I’ve said. Unlike you.
The manga>>shonen jump which is an outside source yes. Kubo>shonen jump, yes. It’s very indicative of your positions that you have to go through outside sources instead of just what Kubo said. Also unlike you I don’t have to ignore anything Kubo has said for my positions to stay true, which can’t be said for your positions.
What act. There is no act in what Giselle is doing. She identifies as female so she’s a female and the wiki refers to her as such. So I don’t know what “act” you think is being done here.
What are you talking about. Both statements can exist simultaneously as they do not contradict each other. Therefore no statement has to be put over the other.
No they are not. You have not demonstrated them to be contradictory. Also the questions was phrased in a way that is was in reference to her biology. There’s no reach since I don’t have to say anything about Kubo’s words since they’re fine for the context of the question, you on the other hand have to outright ignore what Kubo identifies Giselle has which is a reach if I’ve ever seen one.
There is no unknown or disputed position here though as she is identified and identifies herself as female. So there’s no dispute, you’re only trying to make it one.
Yes and both statements can exist simultaneously and are not contradictory to each other. Since Giselle is biologically male but identifies as female. So Kubo is simply identifying her as female. You having to rustle your brain around why Kubo would say this and just having to ignore the statement for your positions just demonstrates how much mental gymnastics you’re going through.
And since neither statement contradicts each other they can both exist simultaneously. So there’s no need to disregard them and doing so just proves you simply want to push something that isn’t backed. Also she directly identifies herself as female which is direct confirmation what she identifies as. So her grammar wouldn’t matter since grammar doesn’t prove which gender you are, they’re just used by each gender differently. So again there’s no contradiction since using those doesn’t prove they identify themselves as male. They identify themselves as female as they said themselves. Which is something you also try to disregard since it’s also a bug monkey wrench in your argument.
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meant to quote Reio
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I mean, the fact that Ulq himself made it clear that he will attack Ichigo, Chad and Orihime while fighting Kisuke/Yoruichi to gain the advantage speaks enough lol
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Don't worry, created a crt for that.
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