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I think speed is possible otherwise it potentially could have led to a blitz but off screen fights are problematic. Can't comment on the second question.
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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We shall see what we learn of the fight with Askin when the episode drops. But it seems to be the same as the manga, so I ask, does Askin currently scale? And the answer is no. Maybe speed.
Renji will get multiplicatively downscaled from where Shutara scales due to Uryu scaling. Whether that will be 2-C who knows.
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I was mostly referring to speed, his ass ain't doing jack shit to Ichigo. Just wanted to know how that possibly affects the captains that scale to Askin in speed.
Ok, so no true power Renji would be relative to Blut Uryu? I know he downscales from Bankai Senju and only Vollstandig and beyond scales above, and Renji needed to use Zagaizekko to harm Vollstandig Uryu, so that would mean Renji would massively upscale from base with Zagaizekko rather than having the move be it's own tier.
I would also ask about Uryu's LS, but rn I'm a bit busy.
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Blut Uryu no sold Zaga Teppo. Bankai Renji scales vaguely higher than base Uryu, which is 1/10th of Shutara. His 20 second charge up attack scales
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Y E S ! ! !
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I'm excited for the gears to start turning. Imma work more on Yhwach's intelligence when I get back from vacation.
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Askin the real MC of Bleach not that fraud Ichigo.
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Askin for some bitches.
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And this guy supposedly scales to 3-B yikes.
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Very based, but he says battles of spirit energy.You’re right, you’re not allowed to get affected by hax if you got high power levelfvck Aizen saying the power null stuff involved battles of Shinigami and Shinigami-like beings. Fvck Ichigo
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Good thing Askin’s gift ball isn’t a battle of spirit energy
Edit: he says Shinigami battles so I’m still right
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Quincy don't use spirit energy?Good thing Askin’s gift ball isn’t a battle of spirit energy
50/50
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Not 50/50, 100/0
and no Quincies don’t use spirit energy like Shinigami do so it’s not applicable here. Don’t stand here and get packed up like you do in Naruto general 
go back to doing whatever you were doing
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They use Reishi, NOT Reiatsu. Also Askin's DD affected the air around Ichigo, not Ichigo himself. Episode 35 proved he couldn't use the Deathdealing on him traditionally due to his Reiryoku.
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Both SR and Quincy use SE.
Yes 50/50 since you even had to change your bs point that I was address. Prove it's not the same then since they both use SE as shown above.Not 50/50, 100/0
Oh no ArcsDon’t stand here and get packed up like you do in Naruto general
are gonna come out!
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No I didn’t. My point was always Shinigami function mechanically different than Quincy, you being unable to understand that and call me out on a point and be proven wrong by the very scan you mentioned is on you.
Keep strawmanning all you want tho
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So you have no argument and no proof that their battles are different cool.
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The two applications are vastly different. Quincies use the environment while Shinigami use their own internal power. Both are spiritual, but Reiatsu ≠ Reishi.
Both SR and Quincy use SE.
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The scan you referenced and the very next scan you posted prove my point. Your fragile ego and inability to admit when you’re wrong is no issue of mine. Shinigami and Quincy function differently fundamentally.
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Are both not battles of SE? Yes or no.
Also fragile ego coming from you? You showing that you can't handle disagreement with this type of shit.
Both are SE as it says.
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No they aren’t battles of SE like Shinigami battles are. Explicitly so. Using SE does not automatically make it function like Shinigami energy systems do. Stop repeating the same addresses strawman
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Okay prove it, cause if you can't we have no reason to assume otherwise other than going off of your feelings.
You haven't addressed shit though other than to say nu huh and resorting to SR fights and guess what this is between Askin and Ichigo? A soul reaper fight.
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Read the two mention scans, I’ve repeatedly stated over and over again they distinguish the two explicitly. You’ve simply ignored to address that. I’ll take your concession via burden of the rejoinder. I’m not letting you try to sneakily pass the burden.
No it isn’t a battle between two Shinigami
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Who the hell made up these debate terms. Strawman, burden of the rejoinder, stuff like that, they go hard.
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How they collect spirit energy is different which I've never disagreed with if you couldn't tell. You conceding cause of rejoinder damn didn't know you would be this easy.
Where is it stated that it has to be between two shinigami when it states soul reaper fights are battles of spiritual energy?No it isn’t a battle between two Shinigami
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It’s simply the most likely conclusion since Aizen specifically makes not of Shinigami battles of SE. he wouldn’t need to denote Shinigami if it weren’t pertinent especially since he’s fighting Soi Fon she knows she’s a Shinigami. Meanwhile you’ve provided no interpretation to support your claim.
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Yes cause its Kubo explaining to the reader why it doesn't even work in the first place and that's assuming if it wasn't all a lie due to that being momo unless you want to state momo has more spirit energy than all of them. We have no reason not to believe the more spirit energy negs hax argument other than you basing this off of your feelings since you haven't again provided any evidence for why quincy spirit energy wouldn't be negged by higher spirit energy. There no freaking reason why we are limiting this only to soul reapers without any evidence.
Agree to disagree atm? I'm about to eat dinner and do some stuff. We can continue me owning you later if you want. You still my favorite boo.
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We aren’t limiting it to Shinigami like beings for no reason, it’s just explicitly stated to be the case. You stating we have no reason to be the case is pure incredulity. It’s not an argument.
As for it being a lie, if there wasn’t validity to it, it would’ve tipped Soi Fon off, she believed those words enough to not contest it. We also have other instances to support this notion too, aka Barragan not being able to Respira Aizen.
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Wait wtf are we arguing?
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Tracking issue
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What is you guys' favorite sound effect in Bleach? I was rewatching FRI END and I gotta say all of the Burner Fingers sound fucking sick. Rn Burner Finger 2 might be my fav next to ZnT South.
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Gotta be the hollow roar. Feels so iconic.
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Easily forgettable.
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