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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Arc7Kuroi said:
The scan you referenced and the very next scan you posted prove my point. Your fragile ego and inability to admit when you’re wrong is no issue of mine. Shinigami and Quincy function differently fundamentally.
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Are both not battles of SE? Yes or no.
Also fragile ego coming from you? You showing that you can't handle disagreement with this type of shit.
ReaperAndBlues said:
The two applications are vastly different. Quincies use the environment while Shinigami use their own internal power. Both are spiritual, but Reiatsu ≠ Reishi.
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Both are SE as it says.
 
KingogKings777 said:
Are both not battles of SE? Yes or no.
Also fragile ego coming from you? You showing that you can't handle disagreement with this type of shit.

Both are SE as it says.
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No they aren’t battles of SE like Shinigami battles are. Explicitly so. Using SE does not automatically make it function like Shinigami energy systems do. Stop repeating the same addresses strawman
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
No they aren’t battles of SE like Shinigami battles are.
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Okay prove it, cause if you can't we have no reason to assume otherwise other than going off of your feelings.
Arc7Kuroi said:
Explicitly so. Using SE does not automatically make it function like Shinigami energy systems do. Stop repeating the same addresses strawman
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You haven't addressed shit though other than to say nu huh and resorting to SR fights and guess what this is between Askin and Ichigo? A soul reaper fight.
 
KingogKings777 said:
Okay prove it, cause if you can't we have no reason to assume otherwise other than going off of your feelings.
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Read the two mention scans, I’ve repeatedly stated over and over again they distinguish the two explicitly. You’ve simply ignored to address that. I’ll take your concession via burden of the rejoinder. I’m not letting you try to sneakily pass the burden.

KingogKings777 said:
You haven't addressed shit though other than to say nu huh and resorting to SR fights and guess what this is between Askin and Ichigo? A soul reaper fight.
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No it isn’t a battle between two Shinigami 🗿
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Read the two mention scans, I’ve repeatedly stated over and over again they distinguish the two explicitly. You’ve simply ignored to address that. I’ll take your concession via burden of the rejoinder. I’m not letting you try to sneakily pass the burden.
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How they collect spirit energy is different which I've never disagreed with if you couldn't tell. You conceding cause of rejoinder damn didn't know you would be this easy.
Arc7Kuroi said:
No it isn’t a battle between two Shinigami 🗿
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Where is it stated that it has to be between two shinigami when it states soul reaper fights are battles of spiritual energy?
 
KingogKings777 said:
How they collect spirit energy is different which I've never disagreed with if you couldn't tell. You conceding cause of rejoinder damn didn't know you would be this easy.

Where is it stated that it has to be between two shinigami when it states soul reaper fights are battles of spiritual energy?
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It’s simply the most likely conclusion since Aizen specifically makes not of Shinigami battles of SE. he wouldn’t need to denote Shinigami if it weren’t pertinent especially since he’s fighting Soi Fon she knows she’s a Shinigami. Meanwhile you’ve provided no interpretation to support your claim.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
It’s simply the most likely conclusion since Aizen specifically makes not of Shinigami battles of SE. he wouldn’t need to denote Shinigami if it weren’t pertinent especially since he’s fighting Soi Fon she knows she’s a Shinigami. Meanwhile you’ve provided no interpretation to support your claim.
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Yes cause its Kubo explaining to the reader why it doesn't even work in the first place and that's assuming if it wasn't all a lie due to that being momo unless you want to state momo has more spirit energy than all of them. We have no reason not to believe the more spirit energy negs hax argument other than you basing this off of your feelings since you haven't again provided any evidence for why quincy spirit energy wouldn't be negged by higher spirit energy. There no freaking reason why we are limiting this only to soul reapers without any evidence.

Agree to disagree atm? I'm about to eat dinner and do some stuff. We can continue me owning you later if you want. You still my favorite boo.
 
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KingogKings777 said:
Yes cause its Kubo explaining to the reader why it doesn't even work in the first place and that's assuming if it wasn't all a lie due to that being momo unless you want to state momo has more spirit energy than all of them. We have no reason not to believe the more spirit energy negs hax argument other than you basing this off of your feelings since you haven't again provided any evidence for why quincy spirit energy wouldn't be negged by higher spirit energy. There no freaking reason why we are limiting this only to soul reapers without any evidence.

Agree to disagree atm? I'm about to eat dinner and do some stuff. We can continue me owning you later if you want. You still my favorite boo.
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We aren’t limiting it to Shinigami like beings for no reason, it’s just explicitly stated to be the case. You stating we have no reason to be the case is pure incredulity. It’s not an argument.

As for it being a lie, if there wasn’t validity to it, it would’ve tipped Soi Fon off, she believed those words enough to not contest it. We also have other instances to support this notion too, aka Barragan not being able to Respira Aizen.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
We aren’t limiting it to Shinigami like beings for no reason, it’s just explicitly stated to be the case. You stating we have no reason to be the case is pure incredulity. It’s not an argument.

As for it being a lie, if there wasn’t validity to it, it would’ve tipped Soi Fon off, she believed those words enough to not contest it. We also have other instances to support this notion too, aka Barragan not being able to Respira Aizen.
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Wait wtf are we arguing?
 
Reiryoku- dormant spirit energy
Reatsu- effectinve amojbt of reiryoku under use
All the species in bleach are born with reiryoku and use spiritual energy. Just all has different mechanism
 
Quincy actually do not produce any native Reiryoku naturally. Unless they take reishi from the environment and convert it to Reiryoku inside them, they don’t have any Reiryoku to exert as reiatsu.
 
I just had a realization… not saying it will happen, but they could make Renji transcendent. Especially if they go down the route of he’s fused with his Zanpakuto. And if they do, shit maybe he did sense Aizen lmao, if that happens I owe TOAA an apology
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Quincy actually do not produce any native Reiryoku naturally. Unless they take reishi from the environment and convert it to Reiryoku inside them, they don’t have any Reiryoku to exert as reiatsu.
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All the species that can fight spiritual entities posses reiryoku. Human, hollow, fullbring, quincy every species. We literally see quincies fighting spiritual entities without absorbing reishi. So yes they posses reiryoku as well which is dormant spiritual energy
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I heard people say Renji is nerfed vs Gerard? Frankly idek if he’s there at all
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Frankly uryu's scaling to senjumaru itself is iffy and questionable.
Also it's totally baseless to think the uryu that fought renji would be same as the version who beat senjumaru who had mimihagi mark on his hand.
 
Adam1396 said:
All the species that can fight spiritual entities posses reiryoku. Human, hollow, fullbring, quincy every species. We literally see quincies fighting spiritual entities without absorbing reishi. So yes they posses reiryoku as well which is dormant spiritual energy
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Reiryoku isn’t dormant spirit energy, Reiryoku is just how you say spirit energy in Japanese lol. And no read like the late chapter 40s where Quincy mechanics are explained. In fact I think someone sent the scan recently in this chat.

Adam1396 said:
Frankly uryu's scaling to senjumaru itself is iffy and questionable.
Also it's totally baseless to think the uryu that fought renji would be same as the version who beat senjumaru who had mimihagi mark on his hand.
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You’re free to think that 👍 if you’d like to prove that that power randomly vanished when nothing of the sort is implied, go for it
 
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