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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Arcker123 said:
Bleach captain tiers can be scaled to

Tier 6 - Cookie cutter stuff. Gran Rey's, Sokyoku
Tier 5 - Shikai Kenpachi meteor bust
Tier 4 - Azashiro dangai split at its highest/mid interpretation
Tier 3 - Galaxy room at its highest (Define outer space as the universe)
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Shouldn’t azashiro's dangai splitting be hax move?
Why would that be just tier 4.
Splitting dangai would scale way higher than splitting a universe.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
While I don't hang around the Bleach discussion thread much, I do like Bleach, I just don't talk about it as much as other stuff I like. I've watched the anime a long time ago so I have the basic knowledge of prior events before this arc (obviously I don't remember everything, just enough to understand who did what, who is who and so on). I finally just decided to sit down and watch this arc.
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Cool. Well, enjoy this arc, the anime team did a great job so far.
 
I hope Kubo makes Yhwach go Vollstandig and uses Yamamoto’s medallion to create a supernova like Frieza and launches at Seireitei in the new final battle. 🤣
 
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So you know how we were all theorizing why Ichigo's Getsuga Jujishou missed? Well, we were wrong. It was actually because Ichigo intentionally aimed it away from Uryu. It wasn't the Antithesis or Sterstahben's shrinking. This is actually confirmed by Uryu calling Ichigo naive after the clash ended, which was a call out to him holding back in hopes of turning him to the other side, meaning that Ichigo obviously had failed to aim that shot in order not to hurt him severely, which is supported by the fact that throughout he was visibly distressed battling Uryu.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
So you know how we were all theorizing why Ichigo's Getsuga Jujishou missed? Well, we were wrong. It was actually because Ichigo intentionally aimed it away from Uryu. It wasn't the Antithesis or Sterstahben's shrinking. This is actually confirmed by Uryu calling Ichigo naive after the clash ended, which was a call out to him holding back in hopes of turning him to the other side, meaning that Ichigo obviously had failed to aim that shot in order not to hurt him severely, which is supported by the fact that throughout he was visibly distressed battling Uryu.
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Ichigo was holding back against Uryu, I'm calling it and I'm repping it, IDGAF, I'll come out of retirement and debate anyone on this
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Ichigo was holding back against Uryu, I'm calling it and I'm repping it, IDGAF, I'll come out of retirement and debate anyone on this
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I mean, we all know he was, obviously he hasn't whipped out Bankai, which even if the anime gives us information on why he didn't against Yhwach be it him not mastering his new powers or some other limitation, he still wouldn't use it against his friend. Of course Uryu still scales in some way relative to him, but him being superior isn't as clear cut and if he was, he'd only be by a smidge.
 
GUYS OH MY GOD. I just found an easter egg in episode 30. When Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, he opens his eyes at exactly 23:32. 2332 is the angel number for a new beginning, and to believe in yourself and your abilities for your future. This eludes to Yhwach reverting the world to it's primordial state and how he believes in his power to subvert death.
 
That has to be a stretch at this point. We look like One Piece fans claiming that Gear 5 was foreshadowed since Skypiea because of a dance
 
Bastolan27 said:
That has to be a stretch at this point. We look like One Piece fans claiming that Gear 5 was foreshadowed since Skypiea because of a dance
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Nah, we know Pierrot does this on purpose, they wouldn't just have that happen on a random number that just so happens to have that particular sequence. They already did with Yhwach reawakening the Almighty at 9 minutes and using it again at 9:09 minutes.

That or they just did that because they wanted to reference an angel number, which even then makes sense since Yhwach's form after absorbing the Soul King is similar to a bibically accurate angel.
 
Bastolan27 said:
That has to be a stretch at this point. We look like One Piece fans claiming that Gear 5 was foreshadowed since Skypiea because of a dance
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No, they say Gear 5 was shadowed since Skypiea because he defeated a god and brought out the sun to free a subjugated people.
 
SlendVeny said:
No, they say Gear 5 was shadowed since Skypiea because he defeated a god and brought out the sun to free a subjugated people.
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Crazy foreshadowing 🗿

Mind you, I’m a One Piece fan and defended Gear 5 all over the internet when it came out. However, no, Oda didn't know about Gear 5 20 years ago. He was likely thinking about a new power-up and wanted to connect it to what came before. Your example literally reflects the overarching theme of One Piece and Luffy's journey in general; even Dressrosa can be described by that same sentence. That's why Skypiea is such a great lens for viewing One Piece on a macro scale, rather than as foreshadowing.
 
I still think that the detail was definitely intentional with the timestamp. We already know Pierrot did this before twice when Yhwach opens his eyes, and for that moment when he opened his eyes it would only make sense that they'd do it again, especially considering the importance of this time in particular and the reference made.
 
Bastolan27 said:
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Crazy foreshadowing 🗿

Mind you, I’m a One Piece fan and defended Gear 5 all over the internet when it came out. However, no, Oda didn't know about Gear 5 20 years ago. He was likely thinking about a new power-up and wanted to connect it to what came before. Your example literally reflects the overarching theme of One Piece and Luffy's journey in general; even Dressrosa can be described by that same sentence. That's why Skypiea is such a great lens for viewing One Piece on a macro scale, rather than as foreshadowing.
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Lol. I guess Skypiea didn't deliberately foreshadow Nika?

 
Kachon123 said:
Lol. I guess Skypiea didn't deliberately foreshadow Nika?

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Alluding to Nika's existence is not the same as foreshadowing Gear 5. For instance, vaguely referencing Nika is not the same as implying that Luffy "is" Nika. I do genuinely believe that Enel was trying to copy Nika, though. Again, I'm critiquing the fanbase, not the series itself.

While Oda may not have had Gear 5 in mind when he created Skypiea, he knew that Nika would exist in some form. The themes of gods and freedom appear throughout One Piece, as seen with the Lunarians, who were "cast down from the heavens," and the Celestial Dragons, the "divine" oppressors. Therefore, this specific instance from 20 years ago is more correlated to the overarching themes of One Piece rather than to a particular transformation.

P.S. I’m not saying Gear 5 didn’t have foreshadowing; I’m saying that the explicit foreshadowing it did have was not from 20 years ago. All writers know that stories change and evolve, and to maintain the same notion and idea for 20 years regarding something so minute and specific, like a transformation, is not something writers are capable of doing. Oda is only human, after all.
 
Bastolan27 said:
Alluding to Nika's existence is not the same as foreshadowing Gear 5. For instance, vaguely referencing Nika is not the same as implying that Luffy "is" Nika. I do genuinely believe that Enel was trying to copy Nika, though. Again, I'm critiquing the fanbase, not the series itself.

While Oda may not have had Gear 5 in mind when he created Skypiea, he knew that Nika would exist in some form. The themes of gods and freedom appear throughout One Piece, as seen with the Lunarians, who were "cast down from the heavens," and the Celestial Dragons, the "divine" oppressors. Therefore, this specific instance from 20 years ago is more correlated to the overarching themes of One Piece rather than to a particular transformation.

P.S. I’m not saying Gear 5 didn’t have foreshadowing; I’m saying that the explicit foreshadowing it did have was not from 20 years ago. All writers know that stories change and evolve, and to maintain the same notion and idea for 20 years regarding something so minute and specific, like a transformation, is not something writers are capable of doing. Oda is only human, after all.
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Saying this would be ridding the series of its context. Sure, in a vacuum, Luffy defeating Enel and ringing the bell isn't a direct foreshadowing of his relationship to Nika and Joyboy, but when you consider the fact that there are moments such as Luffy's dancing (which was confirmed to be the pose as Nika in the Road to Laugh Tale booklet) among others, it's clear that Oda had the true nature of Luffy's devil fruit in mind from the beginning.

The more recent mentions of "Nika" is just Oda putting a name on what he's been pointing to throughout the story.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
GUYS OH MY GOD. I just found an easter egg in episode 30. When Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, he opens his eyes at exactly 23:32. 2332 is the angel number for a new beginning, and to believe in yourself and your abilities for your future. This eludes to Yhwach reverting the world to its primordial state and how he believes in his power to subvert death.
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And Kubo had confirmed in deleted Q/A that Yhwach’s official name was going to be YHWH based on THE God but it was gonna be controversial in the west and so they changed it and deleted the question from Klub Kubo.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
GUYS OH MY GOD. I just found an easter egg in episode 30. When Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, he opens his eyes at exactly 23:32. 2332 is the angel number for a new beginning, and to believe in yourself and your abilities for your future. This eludes to Yhwach reverting the world to it's primordial state and how he believes in his power to subvert death.
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Now that is pretty ******* cool.
 
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