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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

LordGriffin1000 said:
While I don't hang around the Bleach discussion thread much, I do like Bleach, I just don't talk about it as much as other stuff I like. I've watched the anime a long time ago so I have the basic knowledge of prior events before this arc (obviously I don't remember everything, just enough to understand who did what, who is who and so on). I finally just decided to sit down and watch this arc.
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Cool. Well, enjoy this arc, the anime team did a great job so far.
 
I hope Kubo makes Yhwach go Vollstandig and uses Yamamoto’s medallion to create a supernova like Frieza and launches at Seireitei in the new final battle. 🤣
 
So you know how we were all theorizing why Ichigo's Getsuga Jujishou missed? Well, we were wrong. It was actually because Ichigo intentionally aimed it away from Uryu. It wasn't the Antithesis or Sterstahben's shrinking. This is actually confirmed by Uryu calling Ichigo naive after the clash ended, which was a call out to him holding back in hopes of turning him to the other side, meaning that Ichigo obviously had failed to aim that shot in order not to hurt him severely, which is supported by the fact that throughout he was visibly distressed battling Uryu.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
So you know how we were all theorizing why Ichigo's Getsuga Jujishou missed? Well, we were wrong. It was actually because Ichigo intentionally aimed it away from Uryu. It wasn't the Antithesis or Sterstahben's shrinking. This is actually confirmed by Uryu calling Ichigo naive after the clash ended, which was a call out to him holding back in hopes of turning him to the other side, meaning that Ichigo obviously had failed to aim that shot in order not to hurt him severely, which is supported by the fact that throughout he was visibly distressed battling Uryu.
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Ichigo was holding back against Uryu, I'm calling it and I'm repping it, IDGAF, I'll come out of retirement and debate anyone on this
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Ichigo was holding back against Uryu, I'm calling it and I'm repping it, IDGAF, I'll come out of retirement and debate anyone on this
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I mean, we all know he was, obviously he hasn't whipped out Bankai, which even if the anime gives us information on why he didn't against Yhwach be it him not mastering his new powers or some other limitation, he still wouldn't use it against his friend. Of course Uryu still scales in some way relative to him, but him being superior isn't as clear cut and if he was, he'd only be by a smidge.
 
GUYS OH MY GOD. I just found an easter egg in episode 30. When Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, he opens his eyes at exactly 23:32. 2332 is the angel number for a new beginning, and to believe in yourself and your abilities for your future. This eludes to Yhwach reverting the world to it's primordial state and how he believes in his power to subvert death.
 
That has to be a stretch at this point. We look like One Piece fans claiming that Gear 5 was foreshadowed since Skypiea because of a dance
 
Bastolan27 said:
That has to be a stretch at this point. We look like One Piece fans claiming that Gear 5 was foreshadowed since Skypiea because of a dance
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Nah, we know Pierrot does this on purpose, they wouldn't just have that happen on a random number that just so happens to have that particular sequence. They already did with Yhwach reawakening the Almighty at 9 minutes and using it again at 9:09 minutes.

That or they just did that because they wanted to reference an angel number, which even then makes sense since Yhwach's form after absorbing the Soul King is similar to a bibically accurate angel.
 
Bastolan27 said:
That has to be a stretch at this point. We look like One Piece fans claiming that Gear 5 was foreshadowed since Skypiea because of a dance
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No, they say Gear 5 was shadowed since Skypiea because he defeated a god and brought out the sun to free a subjugated people.
 
SlendVeny said:
No, they say Gear 5 was shadowed since Skypiea because he defeated a god and brought out the sun to free a subjugated people.
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Crazy foreshadowing 🗿

Mind you, I’m a One Piece fan and defended Gear 5 all over the internet when it came out. However, no, Oda didn't know about Gear 5 20 years ago. He was likely thinking about a new power-up and wanted to connect it to what came before. Your example literally reflects the overarching theme of One Piece and Luffy's journey in general; even Dressrosa can be described by that same sentence. That's why Skypiea is such a great lens for viewing One Piece on a macro scale, rather than as foreshadowing.
 
I still think that the detail was definitely intentional with the timestamp. We already know Pierrot did this before twice when Yhwach opens his eyes, and for that moment when he opened his eyes it would only make sense that they'd do it again, especially considering the importance of this time in particular and the reference made.
 
Bastolan27 said:
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Crazy foreshadowing 🗿

Mind you, I’m a One Piece fan and defended Gear 5 all over the internet when it came out. However, no, Oda didn't know about Gear 5 20 years ago. He was likely thinking about a new power-up and wanted to connect it to what came before. Your example literally reflects the overarching theme of One Piece and Luffy's journey in general; even Dressrosa can be described by that same sentence. That's why Skypiea is such a great lens for viewing One Piece on a macro scale, rather than as foreshadowing.
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Lol. I guess Skypiea didn't deliberately foreshadow Nika?

 
Kachon123 said:
Lol. I guess Skypiea didn't deliberately foreshadow Nika?

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Alluding to Nika's existence is not the same as foreshadowing Gear 5. For instance, vaguely referencing Nika is not the same as implying that Luffy "is" Nika. I do genuinely believe that Enel was trying to copy Nika, though. Again, I'm critiquing the fanbase, not the series itself.

While Oda may not have had Gear 5 in mind when he created Skypiea, he knew that Nika would exist in some form. The themes of gods and freedom appear throughout One Piece, as seen with the Lunarians, who were "cast down from the heavens," and the Celestial Dragons, the "divine" oppressors. Therefore, this specific instance from 20 years ago is more correlated to the overarching themes of One Piece rather than to a particular transformation.

P.S. I’m not saying Gear 5 didn’t have foreshadowing; I’m saying that the explicit foreshadowing it did have was not from 20 years ago. All writers know that stories change and evolve, and to maintain the same notion and idea for 20 years regarding something so minute and specific, like a transformation, is not something writers are capable of doing. Oda is only human, after all.
 
Bastolan27 said:
Alluding to Nika's existence is not the same as foreshadowing Gear 5. For instance, vaguely referencing Nika is not the same as implying that Luffy "is" Nika. I do genuinely believe that Enel was trying to copy Nika, though. Again, I'm critiquing the fanbase, not the series itself.

While Oda may not have had Gear 5 in mind when he created Skypiea, he knew that Nika would exist in some form. The themes of gods and freedom appear throughout One Piece, as seen with the Lunarians, who were "cast down from the heavens," and the Celestial Dragons, the "divine" oppressors. Therefore, this specific instance from 20 years ago is more correlated to the overarching themes of One Piece rather than to a particular transformation.

P.S. I’m not saying Gear 5 didn’t have foreshadowing; I’m saying that the explicit foreshadowing it did have was not from 20 years ago. All writers know that stories change and evolve, and to maintain the same notion and idea for 20 years regarding something so minute and specific, like a transformation, is not something writers are capable of doing. Oda is only human, after all.
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Saying this would be ridding the series of its context. Sure, in a vacuum, Luffy defeating Enel and ringing the bell isn't a direct foreshadowing of his relationship to Nika and Joyboy, but when you consider the fact that there are moments such as Luffy's dancing (which was confirmed to be the pose as Nika in the Road to Laugh Tale booklet) among others, it's clear that Oda had the true nature of Luffy's devil fruit in mind from the beginning.

The more recent mentions of "Nika" is just Oda putting a name on what he's been pointing to throughout the story.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
GUYS OH MY GOD. I just found an easter egg in episode 30. When Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, he opens his eyes at exactly 23:32. 2332 is the angel number for a new beginning, and to believe in yourself and your abilities for your future. This eludes to Yhwach reverting the world to its primordial state and how he believes in his power to subvert death.
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And Kubo had confirmed in deleted Q/A that Yhwach’s official name was going to be YHWH based on THE God but it was gonna be controversial in the west and so they changed it and deleted the question from Klub Kubo.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
GUYS OH MY GOD. I just found an easter egg in episode 30. When Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, he opens his eyes at exactly 23:32. 2332 is the angel number for a new beginning, and to believe in yourself and your abilities for your future. This eludes to Yhwach reverting the world to it's primordial state and how he believes in his power to subvert death.
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Now that is pretty ******* cool.
 
Well, I finished all the episodes up to 30... It was... Something...

General Stuff

To get the basics out the way, animation is solid and the character designs are always peak, many of the fights are top notch (Yamamoto vs Fake Yhwach, Ichigo vs Uryu and several others), though a few were lacking, (specifically I think the Gremmy vs Kenpachi fight was short but it had a funny moment that took me out. I also felt the some of the get back fights against the Quincy were lack luster). Overall though it's good, sounds are solid, the music always slaps. As a whole, It's hits the mark in my opinion.

Characters

* The Goats!!!:

I'm not a fan of most protagonists but Ichigo is different, his pull up game is top notch and his character is fine, the only thing that pissed me off was when he showed up for round two in the Soul Society and went easy on the Quincy... I'm like bruh, Ichigo did you forget that these guys killed countless soul reapers and nearly killed your friends!? He sitting her just hitting them away and even telling Candice to dodge killed me. I know he was there for Yhwach but come on now... Regardless though, he's got some of the coldest lines (cheesy ones to but what do you expect, he's the protagonist)

Don't care what they say, Yamamoto ain't no fraud. Mustache man may not have named him a special war power for a reason but his fight against the fake was clean and even after being cut down, he tried to stop Yhwach from leaving, top tier moment.

Kenpachi, you already know why. nuff said.

* Squad 0 (Fraud 0)

Jokes aside, they didn't peak my interest at first but I wouldn't call them frauds. I enjoyed their fights and in the end, I'm gonna say it Shutara Senjumaru is the best one, fight me!, am i gonna simp? You best believe it. I generally just like her design and character the most out of the squad. What helps the the fact that she has if not the best, one of the best moments I've seen and I'm sure y'all know which one I'm talking about. When she used her Bankai and took down Uryu and the others one by one with the loom tarps she made, ending with their tarps coming down with each of their silhouettes on them was peak. Sadly she gets packed up but she made an impression. Now this isn't to say the other members aren't alright, I just like her better than the others.

* Quincy (Goofy ah troop)

None of them really stood out to me, besides Bazz B and Candice but that's mostly do to design and I like fire and lighting, their over the top personalities did give him genuine laughs at times as well. This isn't to say the others aren't unique, I was happy they all weren't one dimensional but their personalities didn't get me if you know what I'm saying. I also found their defeats... Lacking if that's the right way to say it. By that I mean they came into the Soul Society and massacred them but when the get back arrives, only As Nodt gets a very spectacular end. BG9 and Chang get their heads splattered sure but that's by their own people, Bambi gets smacked by Sajin's Bankai but she's only incapacitated and killed off screen by her own people, and so on.

It kinda makes their demise weak in my opinion, it also makes they look down right stupid when their all shocked as Yhwach beams them. Like why Liletotto all shocked? They literally work for a dude who kills his own subordinates or foot soldiers if they argue in front of him, serve their purpose or says something he doesn't like. Hell they do that too and later several of them back stabbed each other to see who would kill Ichigo, y'all literally watched as Bambi was zombified by one of your own... The level of delusion was peak!. Yhwach did drop the funniest line in response when they asked what they were to him, "Comrades" That shit sent me.

Overall though, they aren't bad characters, I think their alright but for personal preference, they didn't completely stand out besides the two I mentioned (because I like simplicity like a lame nerd) at the top but again when it comes to characters, it's all a preference and I can certainly see why people would like one specifically. To note, I do know several of them appear later on post so obviously not all of them were going to get bodied, also, the Elites that went to the Soul Palace were excluded from my thoughts but there alright as well.

* Soul Reapers (lame ah reapers)

Jokes aside. Ain't got much to say given we've known the characters for the longest. I enjoyed Renji and the others getting to run some fades without getting clapped. Enjoyed their battles, but man, poor Toshiro bro, he didn't deserve getting Zombified. But y'all know the rest, they did their thing as best they could and seeing them deal with the invasion was narratively solid.

However, I will give credit to the character Suì-Fēng. I actually like the two times she lost it a bit and spoke out, it contrasted with how the others held their feelings in. I noticed she got hate for that but character wise, it's interesting.

Those are just my thoughts I wanted to drop regarding some of the characters I like and my general thoughts on the arc as a whole. It's a solid 8 to 9 out of 10 so far for me. I'm not critic or someone who can see artistic genius but I can say as a casual Bleach fan it's a good one. I can see why y'all enjoy it.
 
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