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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Well, I finished all the episodes up to 30... It was... Something...

General Stuff

To get the basics out the way, animation is solid and the character designs are always peak, many of the fights are top notch (Yamamoto vs Fake Yhwach, Ichigo vs Uryu and several others), though a few were lacking, (specifically I think the Gremmy vs Kenpachi fight was short but it had a funny moment that took me out. I also felt the some of the get back fights against the Quincy were lack luster). Overall though it's good, sounds are solid, the music always slaps. As a whole, It's hits the mark in my opinion.

Characters

* The Goats!!!:

I'm not a fan of most protagonists but Ichigo is different, his pull up game is top notch and his character is fine, the only thing that pissed me off was when he showed up for round two in the Soul Society and went easy on the Quincy... I'm like bruh, Ichigo did you forget that these guys killed countless soul reapers and nearly killed your friends!? He sitting her just hitting them away and even telling Candice to dodge killed me. I know he was there for Yhwach but come on now... Regardless though, he's got some of the coldest lines (cheesy ones to but what do you expect, he's the protagonist)

Don't care what they say, Yamamoto ain't no fraud. Mustache man may not have named him a special war power for a reason but his fight against the fake was clean and even after being cut down, he tried to stop Yhwach from leaving, top tier moment.

Kenpachi, you already know why. nuff said.

* Squad 0 (Fraud 0)

Jokes aside, they didn't peak my interest at first but I wouldn't call them frauds. I enjoyed their fights and in the end, I'm gonna say it Shutara Senjumaru is the best one, fight me!, am i gonna simp? You best believe it. I generally just like her design and character the most out of the squad. What helps the the fact that she has if not the best, one of the best moments I've seen and I'm sure y'all know which one I'm talking about. When she used her Bankai and took down Uryu and the others one by one with the loom tarps she made, ending with their tarps coming down with each of their silhouettes on them was peak. Sadly she gets packed up but she made an impression. Now this isn't to say the other members aren't alright, I just like her better than the others.

* Quincy (Goofy ah troop)

None of them really stood out to me, besides Bazz B and Candice but that's mostly do to design and I like fire and lighting, their over the top personalities did give him genuine laughs at times as well. This isn't to say the others aren't unique, I was happy they all weren't one dimensional but their personalities didn't get me if you know what I'm saying. I also found their defeats... Lacking if that's the right way to say it. By that I mean they came into the Soul Society and massacred them but when the get back arrives, only As Nodt gets a very spectacular end. BG9 and Chang get their heads splattered sure but that's by their own people, Bambi gets smacked by Sajin's Bankai but she's only incapacitated and killed off screen by her own people, and so on.

It kinda makes their demise weak in my opinion, it also makes they look down right stupid when their all shocked as Yhwach beams them. Like why Liletotto all shocked? They literally work for a dude who kills his own subordinates or foot soldiers if they argue in front of him, serve their purpose or says something he doesn't like. Hell they do that too and later several of them back stabbed each other to see who would kill Ichigo, y'all literally watched as Bambi was zombified by one of your own... The level of delusion was peak!. Yhwach did drop the funniest line in response when they asked what they were to him, "Comrades" That shit sent me.

Overall though, they aren't bad characters, I think their alright but for personal preference, they didn't completely stand out besides the two I mentioned (because I like simplicity like a lame nerd) at the top but again when it comes to characters, it's all a preference and I can certainly see why people would like one specifically. To note, I do know several of them appear later on post so obviously not all of them were going to get bodied, also, the Elites that went to the Soul Palace were excluded from my thoughts but there alright as well.

* Soul Reapers (lame ah reapers)

Jokes aside. Ain't got much to say given we've known the characters for the longest. I enjoyed Renji and the others getting to run some fades without getting clapped. Enjoyed their battles, but man, poor Toshiro bro, he didn't deserve getting Zombified. But y'all know the rest, they did their thing as best they could and seeing them deal with the invasion was narratively solid.

However, I will give credit to the character Suì-Fēng. I actually like the two times she lost it a bit and spoke out, it contrasted with how the others held their feelings in. I noticed she got hate for that but character wise, it's interesting.

Those are just my thoughts I wanted to drop regarding some of the characters I like and my general thoughts on the arc as a whole. It's a solid 8 to 9 out of 10 so far for me. I'm not critic or someone who can see artistic genius but I can say as a casual Bleach fan it's a good one. I can see why y'all enjoy it.
 
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Speaking of Soul Society arc. I'd argue that Ichigo vs Byakuya is the quintessential Shonen fight.

Shows the heroes growth over time (Yada Yada lose embarrassingly than embarrassing my opponent in the same way, really well done here, the focus on both of their speeds).
Black and White imagery does all of the classic paralllelisms.
Ideological conflict between Ichigo vs Byakuya works extremely well, even if it is more simplistic than Kubo's norm. It's a typical battle Shonen dispute, but handled exceptionally

Overall, I'd say it uses all of the classic Shonen battle conventions well. The only one I think is comparable is Goku vs Frieza (Toryiama, the maverick he is, pioneered most of them). Take the most basic ideas of the genre and execute flawlessly.
 
Arcker123 said:
Speaking of Soul Society arc. I'd argue that Ichigo vs Byakuya is the quintessential Shonen fight.

Shows the heroes growth over time (Yada Yada lose embarrassingly than embarrassing my opponent in the same way, really well done here, the focus on both of their speeds).
Black and White imagery does all of the classic paralllelisms.
Ideological conflict between Ichigo vs Byakuya works extremely well, even if it is more simplistic than Kubo's norm. It's a typical battle Shonen dispute, but handled exceptionally

Overall, I'd say it uses all of the classic Shonen battle conventions well. The only one I think is comparable is Goku vs Frieza (Toryiama, the maverick he is, pioneered most of them). Take the most basic ideas of the genre and execute flawlessly.
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While we're at it, Ichigo vs Ulquiorra is one in terms of a hopeless struggle. No matter how many strikes the hero lands, it amounts to nearly nothing. The smallest opening or wound feels like a major victory, but we feel that despair as if winning is impossible.

Then, from the depths of desperation and resolve, be it love, revenge, protection, or even all, we see the protagionist awaken beyond themselves and win although all the odds are against them.

The battle also explore the clashing ideals of nihilism and love, a purposeless existence and having motivations to live.

It's also one of the defining rage transformations in anime as well, hell you could argue fiction itself. Being awakened by love and care for another against one who cannot love themselves is very poetic, truly showing the power of companionship (without the power of friendship)
 
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I am beyond disappointed in Kenpachi downplayers. Bruh did these mfs read the damn novel with their eyes in their ass? These mfs think Yamaji can beat Hikone, he ain't soloing shit. Oh well, my fault for watching YT Bleach fans scale.
 
I got a question for you guys. If you were to give Ichigo any new hax related to his personality or his story at any point in the events of Bleach, what would you give him, when would you give it to him, and why?
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
I got a question for you guys. If you were to give Ichigo any new hax related to his personality or his story at any point in the events of Bleach, what would you give him, when would you give it to him, and why?
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1. Duplication of his attacks, to give his Bankai 3 Getsuga Tenshos per Getsuga Tensho.
2. The ability to deactivate the previous one in order to summon his Zanpakuto Spirits as autonomous entities.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
I am beyond disappointed in Kenpachi downplayers. Bruh did these mfs read the damn novel with their eyes in their ass? These mfs think Yamaji can beat Hikone, he ain't soloing shit. Oh well, my fault for watching YT Bleach fans scale.
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My guess, and I say my guess before people get offended, is that with end of anime and possibly hell arc, people will change their mind a bit on novel scaling, because narratively, and we know Kubo is gonna follow that, despite zaraki got stronger, he isn’t that much stronger from his TYBWA self as people believe.
But of course Hikone cooks Yama, SK level>
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Well, I finished all the episodes up to 30... It was... Something...

General Stuff

To get the basics out the way, animation is solid and the character designs are always peak, many of the fights are top notch (Yamamoto vs Fake Yhwach, Ichigo vs Uryu and several others), though a few were lacking, (specifically I think the Gremmy vs Kenpachi fight was short but it had a funny moment that took me out. I also felt the some of the get back fights against the Quincy were lack luster). Overall though it's good, sounds are solid, the music always slaps. As a whole, It's hits the mark in my opinion.

Characters

* The Goats!!!:

I'm not a fan of most protagonists but Ichigo is different, his pull up game is top notch and his character is fine, the only thing that pissed me off was when he showed up for round two in the Soul Society and went easy on the Quincy... I'm like bruh, Ichigo did you forget that these guys killed countless soul reapers and nearly killed your friends!? He sitting her just hitting them away and even telling Candice to dodge killed me. I know he was there for Yhwach but come on now... Regardless though, he's got some of the coldest lines (cheesy ones to but what do you expect, he's the protagonist)

Don't care what they say, Yamamoto ain't no fraud. Mustache man may not have named him a special war power for a reason but his fight against the fake was clean and even after being cut down, he tried to stop Yhwach from leaving, top tier moment.

Kenpachi, you already know why. nuff said.

* Squad 0 (Fraud 0)

Jokes aside, they didn't peak my interest at first but I wouldn't call them frauds. I enjoyed their fights and in the end, I'm gonna say it Shutara Senjumaru is the best one, fight me!, am i gonna simp? You best believe it. I generally just like her design and character the most out of the squad. What helps the the fact that she has if not the best, one of the best moments I've seen and I'm sure y'all know which one I'm talking about. When she used her Bankai and took down Uryu and the others one by one with the loom tarps she made, ending with their tarps coming down with each of their silhouettes on them was peak. Sadly she gets packed up but she made an impression. Now this isn't to say the other members aren't alright, I just like her better than the others.

* Quincy (Goofy ah troop)

None of them really stood out to me, besides Bazz B and Candice but that's mostly do to design and I like fire and lighting, their over the top personalities did give him genuine laughs at times as well. This isn't to say the others aren't unique, I was happy they all weren't one dimensional but their personalities didn't get me if you know what I'm saying. I also found their defeats... Lacking if that's the right way to say it. By that I mean they came into the Soul Society and massacred them but when the get back arrives, only As Nodt gets a very spectacular end. BG9 and Chang get their heads splattered sure but that's by their own people, Bambi gets smacked by Sajin's Bankai but she's only incapacitated and killed off screen by her own people, and so on.

It kinda makes their demise weak in my opinion, it also makes they look down right stupid when their all shocked as Yhwach beams them. Like why Liletotto all shocked? They literally work for a dude who kills his own subordinates or foot soldiers if they argue in front of him, serve their purpose or says something he doesn't like. Hell they do that too and later several of them back stabbed each other to see who would kill Ichigo, y'all literally watched as Bambi was zombified by one of your own... The level of delusion was peak!. Yhwach did drop the funniest line in response when they asked what they were to him, "Comrades" That shit sent me.

Overall though, they aren't bad characters, I think their alright but for personal preference, they didn't completely stand out besides the two I mentioned (because I like simplicity like a lame nerd) at the top but again when it comes to characters, it's all a preference and I can certainly see why people would like one specifically. To note, I do know several of them appear later on post so obviously not all of them were going to get bodied, also, the Elites that went to the Soul Palace were excluded from my thoughts but there alright as well.

* Soul Reapers (lame ah reapers)

Jokes aside. Ain't got much to say given we've known the characters for the longest. I enjoyed Renji and the others getting to run some fades without getting clapped. Enjoyed their battles, but man, poor Toshiro bro, he didn't deserve getting Zombified. But y'all know the rest, they did their thing as best they could and seeing them deal with the invasion was narratively solid.

However, I will give credit to the character Suì-Fēng. I actually like the two times she lost it a bit and spoke out, it contrasted with how the others held their feelings in. I noticed she got hate for that but character wise, it's interesting.

Those are just my thoughts I wanted to drop regarding some of the characters I like and my general thoughts on the arc as a whole. It's a solid 8 to 9 out of 10 so far for me. I'm not critic or someone who can see artistic genius but I can say as a casual Bleach fan it's a good one. I can see why y'all enjoy it.
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Glad you liked it
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
I got a question for you guys. If you were to give Ichigo any new hax related to his personality or his story at any point in the events of Bleach, what would you give him, when would you give it to him, and why?
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Time stop.

OMZ used that power to save him with the shadows back in the Kenpachi fight.

It would be a perfect counter for Ichigo to fight Almighty Yhwach in a 1 V 1 fair match. Similar to Hit’s time stop from DBS. As time itself is paused, Almighty can’t see the future on that domain expansion of Ichigo’s Bankai. It also goes with his “speed” related power for his Bankai as in “infinite speed”.

Time stop also goes with controlling “Fate” or “reality” as a Soul King candidate having control over the flow of time in this reality. Similar but opposite to the Reio Adyneus stillness and advancement.
 
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AppleLord said:
Time stop.

OMZ used that power to save him with the shadows back in the Kenpachi fight.

It would be a perfect counter for Ichigo to fight Almighty Yhwach in a 1 V 1 fair match. Similar to Hit’s time stop from DBS. As time itself is paused, Almighty can’t see the future on that domain expansion of Ichigo’s Bankai. It also goes with his “speed” related power for his Bankai as in “infinite speed”.
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Time stop ain't really a counter for Almighty
 
Adam1396 said:
Time stop ain't really a counter for Almighty
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Nothing is a counter to Almighty unless the author decides to do it. We are not debating this at all. We are talking about potential abilities we would like to give Ichigo in hax form. Wherever is a counter or not I’m assuming from Kubo’s standpoint when writing the story. A what if? Nothing to do with what canon Yhwach is.
 
AppleLord said:
Nothing is a counter to Almighty unless the author decides to do it. We are not debating this at all. We are talking about potential abilities we would like to give Ichigo in hax form. Wherever is a counter or not I’m assuming from Kubo’s standpoint when writing the story. A what if? Nothing to do with what canon Yhwach is.
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I think fate shattering will be a thing
 
Tyri456 said:
My guess, and I say my guess before people get offended, is that with end of anime and possibly hell arc, people will change their mind a bit on novel scaling, because narratively, and we know Kubo is gonna follow that, despite zaraki got stronger, he isn’t that much stronger from his TYBWA self as people believe.
But of course Hikone cooks Yama, SK level>
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People mostly just have headcanons on the scaling CFYOW provides and does mental gymnastics to disprove why Hikone is scaled to Ichigo and Aizen's level, or that Shunsui's statement about Zaraki being the strongest doesn't factor in Yamamoto using some reasoning that he was dead at the time of the statement. Hell, people go as far as to state CFYOW isn't canon. That and they also meatride Yamamoto. Mind you, these people think that he can beat an unsealed member of squad 0 or even Almighty Yhwach (at least before the anime confirmed that he didn't have the Almighty when they fought). The weakest unsealed Squad 0 member solos Yama negative diff and Yhwach shouldn't be a question. One of the reasons I joined VsBattles was because I wanted to escape these people. They can call me a Zaraki wanker all they want, they'll never accept the fact that Kenpachi isn't the most overrated Bleach character scaling wise and that it's Yama.
 
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ReaperAndBlues said:
People mostly just have headcanons on the scaling CFYOW provides and does mental gymnastics to disprove why Hikone is scaled to Ichigo and Aizen's level, or that Shunsui's statement about Zaraki being the strongest doesn't factor in Yamamoto using some reasoning that he was dead at the time of the statement. Hell, people go as far as to state CFYOW isn't canon. That and they also meatride Yamamoto. Mind you, these people think that he can beat an unsealed member of squad 0 or even Almighty Yhwach (at least before the anime confirmed that he didn't have the Almighty when they fought). The weakest unsealed Squad 0 member solos Yama negative diff and Yhwach shouldn't be a question. One of the reasons I joined VsBattles was because I wanted to escape these people. They can call me a Zaraki wanker all they want, they'll never accept the fact that Kenpachi isn't the most overrated Bleach character scaling wise and that it's Yama.
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Yama is definitely much underrated.
Zaraki's scaling is just a hard to swallow pill. Same for Ginjo.
 
Tyri456 said:
yeah most of bleach fan thinks Yama is stronger than true bankai ichigo so its definitely not underrated
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I would give them some credit to say that "most" is a stretch, but there are a few people I've seen who think this way. Although, the amount of people that think Yamamoto is stronger than Ichibei is concerning. Some people even will say Ichibei is stronger than Ichigo or that he could beat him, although this is mostly unpopular, which is strange because these same poeple will say Yamaji beats Ichibei but will concede to Ichigo beating Yama.
 
Shunsui is Aizen’s Daddy… theory

Alright, imagine this: Shunsui might’ve been in on Aizen’s entire scheme from day one, thanks to Ukitake and his connection to Mimihagi. Since Mimihagi had the power to glimpse the future and was tied to the Soul King, there’s a chance Ukitake saw pieces of what was coming and shared these insights with Shunsui. Knowing Aizen was going to betray them, then lose, get sealed, and eventually be needed again could explain a lot about Shunsui’s attitude throughout all of it.

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Think about how calm Shunsui always seemed. Even as Aizen turned against Soul Society, Shunsui never really seemed fazed, almost like he knew Aizen’s betrayal was just one part of a larger plan. It was more than his laid-back personality—he might’ve known that Aizen was essential to a future crisis. So when Shunsui went down to Muken to ask Aizen for help against Yhwach, it felt oddly smooth, like he was following steps he’d already thought through. Maybe he even convinced Central 46 that it was worth sealing Aizen instead of killing him, all with the idea of keeping him in reserve for something much bigger.

The kicker here is Shunsui’s comment to Ukitake about the kamikake being ready. It’s almost like they had some understanding that Ukitake would have to sacrifice himself and that Shunsui knew what that would mean for the Soul King’s stability. All his relaxed, almost detached behavior through the key battles, first with Aizen, then later with Yhwach, might’ve come from knowing the bigger picture—a resigned acceptance that he was just playing his role in a set of events that had to happen. So, Shunsui may have been acting all along with the knowledge that when things hit rock bottom, he’d release Aizen as a calculated move. For all Aizen’s ambition and danger, Shunsui probably trusted that Aizen would fight for his survival, even if that meant temporarily being on the side of Soul Society.

Shunsui might’ve gone to see Aizen even before all the events with Yhwach started to unfold, already knowing he’d have to recruit him when things went sideways. When he told Aizen they had a “common goal,” he wasn’t just talking about stopping Yhwach; he was hinting that, in a roundabout way, the Shinigami and Aizen were actually aligned in one specific goal—ending the rule of the Soul King. Aizen had always wanted to kill the Soul King to break free from the shackles of his existence, and Shunsui, aware of what was coming, knew the Shinigami were about to face that very dilemma, thanks to Yhwach’s plan to absorb the Soul King and take his place.


By the time Shunsui approached Aizen, he understood that Yhwach’s takeover was inevitable and that, ironically, Aizen might be the only person who could help prevent it—or at least, the only person who would have the resolve to challenge Yhwach, regardless of the cost. So, in a way, Shunsui played Aizen’s ambitions to his advantage, banking on the idea that Aizen’s hatred for the Soul King would make him the perfect, if dangerous, ally. It’s almost like Shunsui had everything mapped out from the start: the betrayal, the sealing, and the eventual release—knowing full well that Aizen would step in when it mattered most.
 
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