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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Blallooo said:



"Jogo's meteor > Gremmy's" incoming
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Cope

Yall just ain't ready for JOGOAT


"As the strongest curse, JOGOAT fought the fraud, the head captain of the gotei, he began to open his domain. Yamamoto shrunk back in fear, then Jogo said: "Stand Proud Genryusai, you are STRONG!"

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Quick analysis for anyone that cares:

Sukuna, highballed:
MHS+ speed, capping around that level.
Island level, via having a higher CE output than Yorozu, and if you calc her creation of the true sphere.
Hax: Sure-hit effect from domain. Lightning creation, Durability negation via World Slash, Fire creation / high temperatures with ⬛

Kenpachi, downplayed:
Rel+ speed, keeps up with Hikone
Multi-Continent level, literally any meta while downplaying to an extreme extent but being honest
Hax: Soul Manipulation (layered, atomization, corrosion, passive), Mind Manipulation (layered), Invisibility, Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (can survive space-time burning and destroying hado 96s)

Conclusion:
Shitstomp with a highballed Sukuna and downplayed Kenpachi, whilst being honest (meaning that the strongest Shinigami shitstomps the king of frauds).
 
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Simple additions for a few proflies

This will be kept short and simple. While I was cooking up my massive Ichigo intelligence update, I noticed a few Bleach profiles with Genius rankings but no Genius Intelligence on their page. I vote to have it be added for the following characters: Shunsui Kyōraku Gin Ichimaru Tokinada...
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Squad 0 + SK candidate speed

I'm just asking a question here, does the new scaling with Squad 0's Bankai affect top tiers and speed scaling? We have it accepted that Yhwach's shadows are a speed feat and that Reiatsu=Speed. And Squad 0 can shake all three realms with their Bankai which was accepted as Universal and...
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Snoke123 said:
One thing I've noticed a lot is that outside of this forum, bleach suffers a lot of hate, bias and downplay. on other forums (which I prefer not to mention names, because that's not what this is for) they just say that bleach is on mountain level and other nonsense like that, and never present a real and coherent argument as to how a bleach character loses . for example, every time there is a fight: yhwach vs some naruto character. they just say that the naruto character wins, why he can blow up big things and nothing else, they never present coherent arguments about how a naruto character deals with the almighty. when they don't say other nonsense like genjutsu g.g. It's nasty, mediocre and disgusting, literally.
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You could say this for many verses.

It's rare for me to see communities outside of wikis, with similar or greater power levels than what they have on wikis (in the verses that are updated and don't die). The same thing you said about Bleach, I could talk about One Piece. I highly doubt that the common sense of people outside this wiki is that the guys are moon level and that Luffy has a small planet attack.

Generally all verses have lower power levels, not just bleach. Or they have a consensus that hax works differently than this wiki considers.

You said, "outside this forum", so I think you consider that this forum doesn't underestimate bleach much. But I know a wiki that has bleach 2-C, MFTL+ (millions .c) that constantly ridicules vsbattle for underestimating bleach so much, however this same wiki thinks that vsbattle greatly overestimates One Piece with level 5-C and Low 5 -B.

So it depends from community to community and the general sense of each one. Of course there will be guys that you will throw something explicit in his face and he will act like a troll and ignore, but I'm talking more in general about a community.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
You said, "outside this forum", so I think you consider that this forum doesn't underestimate bleach much. But I know a wiki that has bleach 2-C, MFTL+ (millions .c) that constantly ridicules vsbattle for underestimating bleach so much, however this same wiki thinks that vsbattle greatly overestimates One Piece with level 5-C and Low 5 -B.
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Based

Edit: with respect to tier 5 OP being goofy as all hell
 
Just saw a video somewhere of the Fairytail author being asked who the strongest character in fairytail is.
He answered in this setting its Acnologia, would that mean Acnologia should be considered the strongest no matter what?
 
skippy said:
Just saw a video somewhere of the Fairytail author being asked who the strongest character in fairytail is.
He answered in this setting its Acnologia, would that mean Acnologia should be considered the strongest no matter what?
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Did you enter the wrong thread?
Btw will Komamura's weakness section be potentially changed with the new Klub stuff?
 
Arkenis said:
Kenpachi page

:unsure: are both really needed
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No, Durability Negation is redundant 99% of the time, since 99% of the time it is tied to an ability. Be it spatial, conceptual manipulation, matter that are obvious durability deniers when used in an offensive way, like cutting space.

There are very rare cases that are not redundant, like hitting internal organs or attacking the enemy's mana instead of life (like in RPGs for example, the enemy has 50HP and 20MP, so instead of attacking life you use a skill to attack the mana and when it goes to 0 the enemy died, I know, super specific)

These skills don't have much to fit into, so all that's left is Durability Negation.
 
Can I have some input there!!
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Conceptual absorption for Yhwach

This will be very straight forward. Names in Bleach are concepts with meaning, power assigned to it. Ichibe needs to name ichigo as "reio" to function as reio despite having the requirements of reio, again meaning name is important. After absorbing WSK, Yhwach acts as reio. Conclusion...
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Can we add "predates the worlds" in the age section of ichibei, prime reio?
Is age inapplicable for reio? since there's no new or old reio at least for WSK.
 
I don't know about bleach. However, many people say that because Yhwach moves the garganata, he gains infinite speed. How true is this?
 
Noes said:
I don't know about bleach. However, many people say that because Yhwach moves the garganata, he gains infinite speed. How true is this?
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If you argue that the Garganta is an infinite sized structure and that Yhwach was going to destroy it, you can make an argument for infinite speed. I’m not going to say it’s the absolute truth or anything tho.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
If you argue that the Garganta is an infinite sized structure and that Yhwach was going to destroy it, you can make an argument for infinite speed. I’m not going to say it’s the absolute truth or anything tho.
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yes let's take garganta infinitely. Let's say Yhwach does not destroy the garganata but moves it. Will Yhwach get infinite speed because of this or will he get certain abilities and features?
 
Noes said:
yes let's take garganta infinitely. Let's say Yhwach does not destroy the garganata but moves it. Will Yhwach get infinite speed because of this or will he get certain abilities and features?
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The definitive answer would be: Yhwach's method at least the one shown in both the manga, and the mobile game involves Yhwach using his reaitsu to do whatever method of destruction this was aimed at the garganta and the worlds at the end of the series.

Yhwach was pulling a Vegeta at the end.

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AppleLord said:
The definitive answer would be: Yhwach's method at least the one shown in both the manga, and the mobile game involves Yhwach using his reaitsu to do whatever method of destruction this was aimed at the garganta and the worlds at the end of the series.

Yhwach was pulling a Vegeta at the end.

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Which game is this? I've never seen a game scene like this before.
 
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