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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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One thing I've noticed a lot is that outside of this forum, bleach suffers a lot of hate, bias and downplay. on other forums (which I prefer not to mention names, because that's not what this is for) they just say that bleach is on mountain level and other nonsense like that, and never present a real and coherent argument as to how a bleach character loses . for example, every time there is a fight: yhwach vs some naruto character. they just say that the naruto character wins, why he can blow up big things and nothing else, they never present coherent arguments about how a naruto character deals with the almighty. when they don't say other nonsense like genjutsu g.g. It's nasty, mediocre and disgusting, literally.
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Lol at DB using the novels and recent anime changes for Kenpachi. Can't wait for the black hole stuff to be used from Kenjaku to upscale Sukuna to solar or something.
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:usopplaugh:
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I really like the explanation Kubo just gave for Komamaru's human form in Klub outside question 593.
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Cope
Yall just ain't ready for JOGOAT
"As the strongest curse, JOGOAT fought the fraud, the head captain of the gotei, he began to open his domain. Yamamoto shrunk back in fear, then Jogo said: "Stand Proud Genryusai, you are STRONG!"
Guacamolefletcher
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The only way this could be a match up is if you take Soul Society Eyepatch Kenpachi, I and then lowball him
Guacamolefletcher
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Quick analysis for anyone that cares:
Sukuna, highballed:
MHS+ speed, capping around that level.
Island level, via having a higher CE output than Yorozu, and if you calc her creation of the true sphere.
Hax: Sure-hit effect from domain. Lightning creation, Durability negation via World Slash, Fire creation / high temperatures with
Kenpachi, downplayed:
Rel+ speed, keeps up with Hikone
Multi-Continent level, literally any meta while downplaying to an extreme extent but being honest
Hax: Soul Manipulation (layered, atomization, corrosion, passive), Mind Manipulation (layered), Invisibility, Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (can survive space-time burning and destroying hado 96s)
Conclusion:
Shitstomp with a highballed Sukuna and downplayed Kenpachi, whilst being honest (meaning that the strongest Shinigami shitstomps the king of frauds).
Sukuna, highballed:
MHS+ speed, capping around that level.
Island level, via having a higher CE output than Yorozu, and if you calc her creation of the true sphere.
Hax: Sure-hit effect from domain. Lightning creation, Durability negation via World Slash, Fire creation / high temperatures with
Kenpachi, downplayed:
Rel+ speed, keeps up with Hikone
Multi-Continent level, literally any meta while downplaying to an extreme extent but being honest
Hax: Soul Manipulation (layered, atomization, corrosion, passive), Mind Manipulation (layered), Invisibility, Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (can survive space-time burning and destroying hado 96s)
Conclusion:
Shitstomp with a highballed Sukuna and downplayed Kenpachi, whilst being honest (meaning that the strongest Shinigami shitstomps the king of frauds).
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Excellence616
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Simple additions for a few proflies
This will be kept short and simple. While I was cooking up my massive Ichigo intelligence update, I noticed a few Bleach profiles with Genius rankings but no Genius Intelligence on their page. I vote to have it be added for the following characters: Shunsui Kyōraku Gin Ichimaru Tokinada...
Squad 0 + SK candidate speed
I'm just asking a question here, does the new scaling with Squad 0's Bankai affect top tiers and speed scaling? We have it accepted that Yhwach's shadows are a speed feat and that Reiatsu=Speed. And Squad 0 can shake all three realms with their Bankai which was accepted as Universal and...
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Death Battle ain't likely to use any Novel scaling.
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You could say this for many verses.
It's rare for me to see communities outside of wikis, with similar or greater power levels than what they have on wikis (in the verses that are updated and don't die). The same thing you said about Bleach, I could talk about One Piece. I highly doubt that the common sense of people outside this wiki is that the guys are moon level and that Luffy has a small planet attack.
Generally all verses have lower power levels, not just bleach. Or they have a consensus that hax works differently than this wiki considers.
You said, "outside this forum", so I think you consider that this forum doesn't underestimate bleach much. But I know a wiki that has bleach 2-C, MFTL+ (millions .c) that constantly ridicules vsbattle for underestimating bleach so much, however this same wiki thinks that vsbattle greatly overestimates One Piece with level 5-C and Low 5 -B.
So it depends from community to community and the general sense of each one. Of course there will be guys that you will throw something explicit in his face and he will act like a troll and ignore, but I'm talking more in general about a community.
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Ped2018
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Not really
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Is there a meme thread or something where I can post this?
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Did you enter the wrong thread?
Btw will Komamura's weakness section be potentially changed with the new Klub stuff?
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Damage is based for liking this post
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Kenpachi page
are both really needed
- Spatial Manipulation (Kenpachi can cut through space while in Shikai[10], this effect should extend to his Bankai as well)
- Durability Negation (Kenpachi's Shikai allows him to cut through space itself[10], Kenpachi's sword while in Bankai should contain this effect as well)
are both really needed
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No, Durability Negation is redundant 99% of the time, since 99% of the time it is tied to an ability. Be it spatial, conceptual manipulation, matter that are obvious durability deniers when used in an offensive way, like cutting space.Kenpachi page
- Spatial Manipulation (Kenpachi can cut through space while in Shikai[10], this effect should extend to his Bankai as well)
- Durability Negation (Kenpachi's Shikai allows him to cut through space itself[10], Kenpachi's sword while in Bankai should contain this effect as well)
There are very rare cases that are not redundant, like hitting internal organs or attacking the enemy's mana instead of life (like in RPGs for example, the enemy has 50HP and 20MP, so instead of attacking life you use a skill to attack the mana and when it goes to 0 the enemy died, I know, super specific)
These skills don't have much to fit into, so all that's left is Durability Negation.
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Yes.Kenpachi page
- Spatial Manipulation (Kenpachi can cut through space while in Shikai[10], this effect should extend to his Bankai as well)
- Durability Negation (Kenpachi's Shikai allows him to cut through space itself[10], Kenpachi's sword while in Bankai should contain this effect as well)
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Can I have some input there!!
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Conceptual absorption for Yhwach
This will be very straight forward. Names in Bleach are concepts with meaning, power assigned to it. Ichibe needs to name ichigo as "reio" to function as reio despite having the requirements of reio, again meaning name is important. After absorbing WSK, Yhwach acts as reio. Conclusion...
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Yeah because it’s a valid ability
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That doesn’t go in age
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If you argue that the Garganta is an infinite sized structure and that Yhwach was going to destroy it, you can make an argument for infinite speed. I’m not going to say it’s the absolute truth or anything tho.
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yes let's take garganta infinitely. Let's say Yhwach does not destroy the garganata but moves it. Will Yhwach get infinite speed because of this or will he get certain abilities and features?
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Is there anyone knowledgeable about both bleach and fairy tail?
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Can I get infınite speed from shaking the garganta?
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Such a thing is possible
