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Baki verse downgrade
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Well Sir_Ovens said he was fine with the changes
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Could you please create the same table for character scaling with the new data please?
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Using this logic characters that can hurt Yujiro, but aren't comparable in any way (like begining of Dou Hanayama) should upscale from the lightning bolt up to High 8-C instead of downscaling from 8-B
This will make Mid Tiers 8-C/8-C+ and low end High 8-C, actually using this Doppo will probably be 8-C, and that will also make Jack, Raitai Baki and Ali Jr 8-C.
This makes sense considering Retsu said Jack became ten times stronger than him (9-A) I don't agree with Baki peaking at 8-B+ but honestly this makes the verse so much easier to powerscale.
All you have to do is make a scaling chain with the 1.912 tons value with all those characters who downscale from characters who downscale from characters who downscale...
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Hanayama scales exactly as he came close to killing Musashi.
Lightning is rated 8-C+, not High 8-C.
Baki is also 8-B, not 8-B+
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Just saying, SOO onwards will see a bunch of dudes downscale from Baki and Yujiro, including Pickle, Musashi, Retsu, and anyone who scales.
This means the random boxer that could hurt Retsu and the rando sumo in Dou II also downscale from Baki and Yujiro.
This means the random boxer that could hurt Retsu and the rando sumo in Dou II also downscale from Baki and Yujiro.
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I'll tell you more - a random wrestler beat Yuichiro to bruises when he succumbed
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Yes, and KLOL506 as well. Have any other staff members commented here?
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Lightning: 1.912 Tons Didn't anything to Yujiro.
Hanayama (begining of Dou 1): Made Yujiro bleed. He upscales pretty above the lightning which is already close to High 8-C by ~1.046x
Also Musashi is constantly shown to have a low durability in relation to his AP (Even Retsu can severely damage him)
The truth is, there's massive differences between characters and everyone being 8-B makes no sense, so the best we can do about Mid Tiers is downscaling them from Yujiro's durability:
8-C for weaker mid Tiers
8-C+ for stronger ones
High 8-C for the strongest Mid Tiers
And we already have a very good scaling point for them: Doppo... And a ton of other characters but Doppo is relevant for Begining of SoO base Baki, who is relevant for a ton of characters (You get the idea)
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If not, I might be able to help if somebody explains what needs to be evaluated here in an easy to understand manner.
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Could you show these feats?
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I don't remember the chapter nor do i have the scans, all i remember is the context, if you want the scans you'll have to wait
Edit: Anyways i think i'll talk more about this in the Baki general discussion thread AFTER all of this gets accepted. Or i'll just make CRTs + calc blogs
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Okay it's been a while since I read OG Grappler Baki and New Grappler Baki
At what point do characters start scaling above the 9-A feat?
I agree with everything else
Also yes, we are not downscaling everyone directly to 8-B
Could you link the chapter where this multiplier was stated?
That way we could verify if it's legit
Also could we use this to scale other characters as well to this 10x 9-A Jack or is it lower than the current value everyone would scale to?
Also someone should very quickly make a re-calc using the correct timeframe so we don't have to sift through the comments to find the value
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Are we still
Someone should Calc Guevaru's dream earth core feat for the lol's
Do we still accept the on panel statement of Yujiro tanking the full lightning bolt yield?
Do we still accept the on panel statement of Yujiro tanking the full lightning bolt yield?
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The lightning feat stays it's just lower now at 1.92 tons
And yeah those feats need to be calced
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I never liked the idea of downscaling the high and mid-high tiers from the lightning feat because Yujiro is clearly far stronger than the feat and doesn't have a variable durability. There's 0 reason why they should scale to some random feat Yujiro performs casually rather than just massively downscaling from his normal AP.
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After Ali Jr saga.
Jack - 8-C+
Ali JR - 8-C
Base Baki - High 8-C
Scaling from Doppo.
Everyone before the Raitai saga stays at 9-A considering Dorian got brutally owned by Doppo and he's comparable to Retsu.
Also Maximum Tournament Jack probably doesn't scale either.
I don't remember which one but it was at the death row immate saga when they meet each other.
For further confirmation the manga says that such a skilled fighter like Retsu would never be wrong about something like that.
The thing is, in Baki there's a ton of times when a character hurt other or make him bleed but is far weaker, just like Shiba and Baki, or Guevaru and Mouth, so unless you think that Mouth are 8-B we should accept that durability doesn't work that way in the Bakiverse.
I recommend using this for characters who can hurt Yujiro but are far weaker, or those who downscale from characters who downscale from characters who downscale...
Also there's nothing indicating everyone became 8-B, but they suddenly were able to move Pickle or Even hurt him like Jack.
Jack going from 8-C+ to High 8-C makes much more sense than Jack going from 9-A to 8-B.
Same for Retsu and Katsumi
9-A > 8-C/+
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I calced it a long time ago and it was Low 5-B
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The Baki Universe has some notion of real life world chip damage. Which is something that we assume not to be the case when dealing with fictional universes.
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Yes, exactly, that's precisely the problem with making everybody 8-B, Itagaki is a martial artist, that's why he knows about those details.
Just like in real life, in the Bakiverse someone hurting another person is not equal to being just as strong.
That's why hurting Yujiro or similar should make you upscale from the lightning bolt instead of just making you 8-B, since we have solid proof that hurting him requires at least more than 1.912 Tons of TNT
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What is the consensus here so far, and which staff members have commented here?
If somebody writes an easy to understand explanation post regarding what is suggested here and why, I might be able to get some more staff members interested in evaluating this thread.
If somebody writes an easy to understand explanation post regarding what is suggested here and why, I might be able to get some more staff members interested in evaluating this thread.
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Regarding High Tiers:
- 7-C earthquake has been debunked
- Baki shaking feat is now ~15 Tons instead of 84.8
- Yujiro's shaking feat is now High 8-C (3.27 Tons)
- Yujiro's lightning feat is now 8-C+ (1.912 Tons) (Read first comment)
- Since bakiverse durability doesn't work like in most fictional verses, characters who can hurt Yujiro but are far weaker than him will upscale from lightning which didn't have any effect on him (8-C+/Baseline High 8-C)
- Characters who downscale from them will be 8-C/+
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which from what I remember has been similar to arc translations but yee it's still always better to be safe tho
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All calculations are accepted and you can create a new thread. It would be nice if in the table you also indicated the scaling of the new speed and LS
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I think speed is a way more complicated subject in the Bakiverse since it is even more inconsistent than AP, i think it deserves a CRT on it's own.
LS will be easier to powerscale since 90% of the job is just changing Class M > Class K
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Yeah speed can get it's own CRT
RN lets gets AP scaling and LS out of the way
By the way I appreciate you doing all this Kerr, Idn if you can tell but it has been quite a while since I read the earlier Baki series's
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Yeah but my scaling chain will be centered on Son of Ogre, Dou I, Dou II, and maybe Raitai saga
The Main reason for this is that characters from Maximum Tournament and Death row immate saga have a ton of feats which needs to be calculated to properly scale them
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Nope, took a month to do.
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Don't worry i'm working on something like that, but i realized: since Yujiro became much stronger we can't scale Doppo to 8-C+ so i'm calculating a shaking Yujiro did at the Maximum Tournament.
Do you know other feats for Maximum Tournament Yujiro which can be scaled to Doppo?
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I posted a complete list of all the feats from the beginning of the series to SOO on page 3 or 4. You can take feats from there I guess.
I've also been working on a giga-tier list of my own since a few days. ^^
I've also been working on a giga-tier list of my own since a few days. ^^
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Thx i'll check it out.
And after that i'll look for someone who explain to me how to calc Retsu's Obsidian feat since i think that will give higher results for Maximum Tournament and NGB
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I don't remember the chapter but i think it was during Baki vs Retsu, they show that Retsu broke a huge ball of Obsidian which was bigger than a person.
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