Vietthai96
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Proof???Why is collab non-canon? They are literally happened in the same timeline.
Edit: aaaaanyway, i'm going to sleep for now
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Proof???Why is collab non-canon? They are literally happened in the same timeline.
Well the statements says that Shipgirls are in fact ideas and all that stuff that we know, so the physical form gave by the Wisdom Cubes could be treated as an avatar. But oh well, I think in this case AE 2 should work (for now)Incorporeality and Non-Physical Interaction: Disagree for reason above
Avatar Creation: I don't think this is correct, nothing ever implied shipgirls true form is abstract. The main purpose of Wisdome Cube is to bring physical body to them so giving this are against the idea in first place.
I still have my doubts knowing that Souryuu doesn't really owns the Mirror Sea, but it should be good enough.Reality Warping should be change into Pocket Dimension Manipulation to be exact
Hmmm ok. Although, all the conversation there was basically that Mirror Seas lacks of a physical foundation, also explaining that the "device" controlling it (which is that concept behind the sea) doesn't exist in the physical sense.Conceptual Manipulation: Neutral on this, Purifier explicitly point out the foundation behind the concept of Mirror Sea which implied it to be literal. I also favour the chinese text on this one because it's the original version, but unfortunately, i can't give an answer for now.
Fair enough.Causality Manipulation: Disagree for @Vietthai96 reason above
I still don't see why this would be exclusive for Helena META, as, again, those new abilities that she gains seems part of the whole transformation into a META Ship.Hacking: This is exclusive to Helena Meta only, i think.
On this, going over my points again, I'd rather put it aside for the moment as, in fairness, I don't have enough information to make a consistent argument, so oh well, that's the way it is.Information Manipulation: I'm guessing this is because they can control the Mirror Sea? I would like to see more info on this.
Law Manipulation: This is fine. Control the law inside a restricted space is still considered Law Manipulation, but do you have better scans?
In VDiR, it is just another Pocket Reality Dimension, yes they simulating it and apply some certain law on the pawn and clone, right now they still not demonstrate the ability to manipulate fate or causality on actual reality, they can't even affect the outsider who come in from the outside thus extremely limited, this again show in New Jersey. The Sanctuary itself is another Mirror Sea, which mention again in the event which i forget the name said that it is Mirror Sea of Sakura Empire using the tech of Siren like Iron Blood did in Peter Strasser event. The stupid part is look like recent even debunk and retcon what happen in the main campaign especially Bismarck prologue and Midway Battle with Akagi and Kaga, it also retcon some element in Visitors Dyed in Red event.Oh right. Now that the RW stuff was questioned, I found something interesting.
In Visitors Dyed in Red, it was saw that, apparently, Sirens are capable of controlling reality and causality/fate like some kind of simulation. Perhaps is not that important at the moment, but still, something that can be considered for a future.
1. It is not about being treated or not, but it is about actual evidences and feats, we can't just go and say hey they are in fact idea so their current form must be avatar, you need actual proof and feat for that, not assume it as fact. AE1 is totally out of question, no supporting evidences and there are some anti-evidences as both Wisdom Cube and Shipgirls are physical form. I will look more into AE2Well the statements says that Shipgirls are in fact ideas and all that stuff that we know, so the physical form gave by the Wisdom Cubes could be treated as an avatar. But oh well, I think in this case AE 2 should work (for now)
I still have my doubts knowing that Souryuu doesn't really owns the Mirror Sea, but it should be good enough.
Hmmm ok. Although, all the conversation there was basically that Mirror Seas lacks of a physical foundation, also explaining that the "device" controlling it (which is that concept behind the sea) doesn't exist in the physical sense.
I still don't see why this would be exclusive for Helena META, as, again, those new abilities that she gains seems part of the whole transformation into a META Ship.
On this, going over my points again, I'd rather put it aside for the moment as, in fairness, I don't have enough information to make a consistent argument, so oh well, that's the way it is.
1. We don't interpret, we need actual evidences that shipgirls have immortal power rely on human belief and they can return back from it.As for Immortality type 8, while there isn't direct statement, however, Abstract Existence are heavily tied to this which we could interpret from it:
Based on Kirov's conversation above we known that even mass-produced ships (aka fodder in common term) are constructed in similar to normal shipgirls. By this mean, a weaker ships still follow the principle of collective body nonetheless. The so-called fodder here are clone of actual shipgirls, they have similer personaility and mindset as real one. In Visitors Dyed in Red, a fodder was able to break their restrain and act accordant to their original counterpart.
All of these implied that shipgirls can be recreate indefinitely as long the collective idea of that ships still exist within humanity.
Yesshipgirls are smt demons? i agree
Oh, then the Infinite Zamasu revision to have AE disagree with you lol. And Immortality 8 you need atleast statement that user can return indefinitely from that or something similari agree with james here
also you don't need actual feats for type 8 to have that power and you literally cannot have a feat for abstract existence i have yet to know of anything even close to that
Would you mind make a Helena META and a Siren profiles (whoever is fine), i'm busy with Dragon Ball verse as of nowPutting that aside, Abstract Existence is stated so many times that its not even a joke now. I would like to see staff input on that part.
Do you even know why infinite zamasu got possibly?Oh, then the Infinite Zamasu revision to have AE disagree with you lol. And Immortality 8 you need atleast statement that user can return indefinitely from that or something similar
it is both interpretation, i can also interpret that human hope and dream as something flowery and metaphor, so your point don't add up, as everyone debate for their own goal. Oh and why so aggressive at me lolDo you even know why infinite zamasu got possibly?
It's Because "will" is not as blatant and alot of guys were iffy on it based on that alone since souls can be referred to as "will" in some media
This is way more blatant than anything zamasu has
Next time read the reasoning for why said statistics were in place instead of randomly interpretating it to fit your own goals
didn't mean to sound aggressive my badit is both interpretation, i can also interpret that human hope and dream as something flowery and metaphor, so your point don't add up, as everyone debate for their own goal. Oh and why so aggressive at me lol
Spatial Manip, Hacking and Pocket Reality Manipulation was accepted by....well me and Jame, and some other and no one disagree withCan somebody explain the conclusions here so far in an easy to understand manner please?
Well, no problem, i just joke around to chill down the heat, everyone have moment like this including me sometime, we just need to remind and stop ourself from exploding lol.didn't mean to sound aggressive my bad
you would need to prove why said statements are flowery
Type 3 will have more strict requirements, and there will be new ability called Essence or Property Manipulation, well in short manipulating the core of something, but not on conceptual or fundamental levelwasn't there is an ongoing discussion about conceptual manip type 3
seeing how that is only starting in staff discussion we may have to wait for the conclusion specially if we're giving them type 3 which is the target of that changes.
@Dino_Ranger_Black @JustSomeWeirdo @Theglassman12 @Crabwhale @EficienteSpatial Manip, Hacking and Pocket Reality Manipulation was accepted by....well me and Jame, and some other and no one disagree with
Abstract Existence type 1 was rejected and now people debate about type 2. Immortality type 8 also still being debated. So we currently need staff members to review those thing cuz at this point all of us going in circle
The rest was rejected with the exception of Conceptual Manipulation, which i disagree with it (you can review my comment on whh i disagree), Jame is neutral on this stuff and he waiting for staff to review the conceptual thing. Hecatia seem want to argue further about this but look like he rarely come, so i think we still need staff to review the Conceptual Manipulation.
Only me and you now, again lolBump.
@Starter_Pack @Ogbunabali @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000Spatial Manip, Hacking and Pocket Reality Manipulation was accepted by....well me and Jame, and some other and no one disagree with
Abstract Existence type 1 was rejected and now people debate about type 2. Immortality type 8 also still being debated. So we currently need staff members to review those thing cuz at this point all of us going in circle
The rest was rejected with the exception of Conceptual Manipulation, which i disagree with it (you can review my comment on whh i disagree), Jame is neutral on this stuff and he waiting for staff to review the conceptual thing. Hecatia seem want to argue further about this but look like he rarely come, so i think we still need staff to review the Conceptual Manipulation.