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It is I with yet another CRT about Avatar. Probably gonna get used to making these for a little bit to help out with whatever catches my eye. Anyways, let's get right into it.
This thread is for either fixing up some things from some Avatar character pages here, giving them things they should already have, or suggesting a few new stuff for them to get. To start off, let's get the easiest things out of the way.
Pretty straightforward here. Recently, it was accepted that Korra gets minor space-time manipulation in this thread. So naturally speaking, I believe at least Vaatu, and arguably Raava, should get the same thing. But not just because of this.
In Vaatu's case, this is largely because Vaatu specified that he (and Raava?) originally created the spirit portals in the first place, by breaking the barrier between the spirit and physical worlds. Being able to break through dimensional worlds should be an even more blatant case of space-time manipulation that piggy backs off of the prior reasoning from the Korra thread. I believe it was confirmed somewhere that Raava also did this? If so, that would coincide with her also getting it. But for Raava's case, even if we disregard that aspect of the argument, it also shouldn't be a stretch to say Raava should be capable of doing the same as Vaatu for being his polar equal, as well as the fact that Korra's space-time ability comes strictly from her using the AS, drawing on Raava directly to do that.
This then leads to my next point.
Why doesn't Vaatu (and again, by extension, Raava) have Universal range with their attacks and abilities? Vaatu certainly because of him being able to control darkness across both worlds and potentially destroy both worlds as well. Not to mention, as an additional feat for this, Vaatu's influence can be used across both worlds, even if not physically there. UnaVaatu while fighting Giant Korra in the physical world, sent an army of dark spirits to attack Korras physical body in the Tree of Time in the spirit world. As well as the fact that throughout Book 2, Vaatu was able to corrupt dark spirits across both worlds, even whilst sealed in the Tree of Time.
It's even currently listed on Unalaq's page that he has Universal ED because of Vaatu's power, so for all intents and purposes, Vaatu's range should be upgraded to reflect that if this is passable. And then of course, Raava you can make the same case for pretty much the same reason.
These 2 are also abilities im surprised weren't given. Especially the former. It's literally a plot point in Book 2 that when Harmonic Convergence starts, and both spirit portals are opened, Vaatu would be able to draw on the amplified spirit energy to break out of the seal Wan placed on him in the tree of time. And lo and behold, we outright see Vaatu absorbing the co-joined portals energy to do exactly that. This should be clear cut energy absorption.
As for Enhanced Senses, this is basic but also something that, again, should've been added for pretty clear reasonings. Raava and Vaatu are able to feel spiritual presences, including their own. I don't have a direct clip, but at the end of the episode in Book 2, when Korra and Jinora first enter the spirit world, Unalaq mentions Korra having been killed and Vaatu corrects him, saying she's still alive, for even though Raava's connection to him was severed, he can still feel her presence. He also knew the very instant Korra projected herself into the spirit world, also.
Speaking of Vaatu being trapped, we get to another missed ability.
Id also like to know why the avatars weren't given Sealing for, well, sealing Vaatu away? This was also a major plot point. The elemental sphere Wan and Korra created was able to seal Vaatu away in the tree of time, inside an actual barrier, and couldn't be broken without the strong amplified spirit energy from Harmonic Convergence. Not just that, but another additional supporting proof is the spirit portals. We see when Wan first closed the portals, he also encased them within barriers to keep them shut. We also see them inside a barrier when opening them, as shown with Korra opening the Northern portal.
To keep in mind also, opening the portals is specifically recognized as an ability only the Avatar, while in the AS, can accomplish. This is further recognized by the fact that Unalaq and his children tried forcibly opening one of the portals with bending and failed miserably, but Korra in the AS can open them with a single touch, indicating that this is an Avatar specific ability. With that, I believe the Avatar should be granted Sealing in their Avatar State. And this should go for all Avatars as its never made out to be an ability specific to Korra, and since Wan was able to do this before the cycle of past lives existed, this should be applicable to the Avatar State.
Korra should also keep this post-past life removal, as she was going to close the portals at the end of Book 2 before choosing to leave them open permanently.
EDIT: Found another thing to support this.
If you go to 1:11 in the last video, Zuko and the fire sages try unlocking the doors to Roku’s shrine with firebending after Aang makes his way inside, and firebending is normally the key to opening the doors, but they are unable to here because Roku himself sealed the doors shut with the light given off.
Zuko: “Why isn’t it working? It’s sealed shut!”
Firesage: “It must’ve been the light. Avatar Roku doesn’t want us inside.”
The only time the doors were able to be unlocked was when Roku himself opened them in the Avatar State, via possessing Aangs body. So this implies Roku via supernatural means was able to keep the doors sealed with no normal way inside, giving more evidence to sealing being an applicable hax for them.
Now, this one is an actual suggestion from me, as I saw this and couldn't think of what else would make sense, but this seems plausible enough. An argument can be made for Vaatu to have Telekinesis in some way, as we see here when Korra approaches one of the spirit portals, and Vaatu pulls her away towards him very quickly.
This is also a proposal, as I don't believe I ever saw this brought up here before. Not entirely sure about this? But figured it's worth mentioning. Shouldn't all Avatars have some kind of Clairvoyance? My reasoning for this mainly has to do with what we see from Aang and Roku's first encounter in TLA. It's an incredibly major plot point that Roku was able to inform Aang of all the information of what happened 100 years prior to the series to help prepare him to end the war.
What's interesting, however, is that Roku knew of things happening after his death, and what would happen after that.
He knew of Sozin starting the war with the comet when striking the Air nomads and the other nations, as well as knowing Sozins comet would return again and be used by Fire lord Ozai to potentially win the war. These should be things Roku couldn't have known about for having already died before the war really started in the first place, so this indicates Roku was able to have a type of precognitive vision of what would happen. Similar to how, say, DBS Beerus has that for being able to predict the rise of the Super Saiyan God.
And to add an honorable mention, while the Netflix Live Action Avatar is most likely not to be taken as canon or anything, we see the same kind of precognitive power from the Avatar in this version too, with Kyoshi warning Aang about the dangers of the siege on the Northern Water Tribe and the world falling into chaos. So it would seem like the Avatar having a kind of clairvoyance power is like a general view of being the case. But this one im fine with disregarding if this isn't concrete enough.
And....thats it for now. If I think of any other stuff, I can mention them or add them here, but this for now is what I bring to the table.
This thread is for either fixing up some things from some Avatar character pages here, giving them things they should already have, or suggesting a few new stuff for them to get. To start off, let's get the easiest things out of the way.
Limited Space-Time Manipulation for Vaatu (and likely Raava)
Pretty straightforward here. Recently, it was accepted that Korra gets minor space-time manipulation in this thread. So naturally speaking, I believe at least Vaatu, and arguably Raava, should get the same thing. But not just because of this.
In Vaatu's case, this is largely because Vaatu specified that he (and Raava?) originally created the spirit portals in the first place, by breaking the barrier between the spirit and physical worlds. Being able to break through dimensional worlds should be an even more blatant case of space-time manipulation that piggy backs off of the prior reasoning from the Korra thread. I believe it was confirmed somewhere that Raava also did this? If so, that would coincide with her also getting it. But for Raava's case, even if we disregard that aspect of the argument, it also shouldn't be a stretch to say Raava should be capable of doing the same as Vaatu for being his polar equal, as well as the fact that Korra's space-time ability comes strictly from her using the AS, drawing on Raava directly to do that.
This then leads to my next point.
Universal range for Vaatu/Raava
Why doesn't Vaatu (and again, by extension, Raava) have Universal range with their attacks and abilities? Vaatu certainly because of him being able to control darkness across both worlds and potentially destroy both worlds as well. Not to mention, as an additional feat for this, Vaatu's influence can be used across both worlds, even if not physically there. UnaVaatu while fighting Giant Korra in the physical world, sent an army of dark spirits to attack Korras physical body in the Tree of Time in the spirit world. As well as the fact that throughout Book 2, Vaatu was able to corrupt dark spirits across both worlds, even whilst sealed in the Tree of Time.
It's even currently listed on Unalaq's page that he has Universal ED because of Vaatu's power, so for all intents and purposes, Vaatu's range should be upgraded to reflect that if this is passable. And then of course, Raava you can make the same case for pretty much the same reason.
Energy Absorption & Enhanced Senses for at least Vaatu
These 2 are also abilities im surprised weren't given. Especially the former. It's literally a plot point in Book 2 that when Harmonic Convergence starts, and both spirit portals are opened, Vaatu would be able to draw on the amplified spirit energy to break out of the seal Wan placed on him in the tree of time. And lo and behold, we outright see Vaatu absorbing the co-joined portals energy to do exactly that. This should be clear cut energy absorption.
As for Enhanced Senses, this is basic but also something that, again, should've been added for pretty clear reasonings. Raava and Vaatu are able to feel spiritual presences, including their own. I don't have a direct clip, but at the end of the episode in Book 2, when Korra and Jinora first enter the spirit world, Unalaq mentions Korra having been killed and Vaatu corrects him, saying she's still alive, for even though Raava's connection to him was severed, he can still feel her presence. He also knew the very instant Korra projected herself into the spirit world, also.
Speaking of Vaatu being trapped, we get to another missed ability.
Sealing for all Avatars
Id also like to know why the avatars weren't given Sealing for, well, sealing Vaatu away? This was also a major plot point. The elemental sphere Wan and Korra created was able to seal Vaatu away in the tree of time, inside an actual barrier, and couldn't be broken without the strong amplified spirit energy from Harmonic Convergence. Not just that, but another additional supporting proof is the spirit portals. We see when Wan first closed the portals, he also encased them within barriers to keep them shut. We also see them inside a barrier when opening them, as shown with Korra opening the Northern portal.
To keep in mind also, opening the portals is specifically recognized as an ability only the Avatar, while in the AS, can accomplish. This is further recognized by the fact that Unalaq and his children tried forcibly opening one of the portals with bending and failed miserably, but Korra in the AS can open them with a single touch, indicating that this is an Avatar specific ability. With that, I believe the Avatar should be granted Sealing in their Avatar State. And this should go for all Avatars as its never made out to be an ability specific to Korra, and since Wan was able to do this before the cycle of past lives existed, this should be applicable to the Avatar State.
Korra should also keep this post-past life removal, as she was going to close the portals at the end of Book 2 before choosing to leave them open permanently.
EDIT: Found another thing to support this.
If you go to 1:11 in the last video, Zuko and the fire sages try unlocking the doors to Roku’s shrine with firebending after Aang makes his way inside, and firebending is normally the key to opening the doors, but they are unable to here because Roku himself sealed the doors shut with the light given off.
Zuko: “Why isn’t it working? It’s sealed shut!”
Firesage: “It must’ve been the light. Avatar Roku doesn’t want us inside.”
The only time the doors were able to be unlocked was when Roku himself opened them in the Avatar State, via possessing Aangs body. So this implies Roku via supernatural means was able to keep the doors sealed with no normal way inside, giving more evidence to sealing being an applicable hax for them.
Possible Telekinesis for Vaatu?
Now, this one is an actual suggestion from me, as I saw this and couldn't think of what else would make sense, but this seems plausible enough. An argument can be made for Vaatu to have Telekinesis in some way, as we see here when Korra approaches one of the spirit portals, and Vaatu pulls her away towards him very quickly.
Possible Clairvoyance for all Avatars?
This is also a proposal, as I don't believe I ever saw this brought up here before. Not entirely sure about this? But figured it's worth mentioning. Shouldn't all Avatars have some kind of Clairvoyance? My reasoning for this mainly has to do with what we see from Aang and Roku's first encounter in TLA. It's an incredibly major plot point that Roku was able to inform Aang of all the information of what happened 100 years prior to the series to help prepare him to end the war.
What's interesting, however, is that Roku knew of things happening after his death, and what would happen after that.
He knew of Sozin starting the war with the comet when striking the Air nomads and the other nations, as well as knowing Sozins comet would return again and be used by Fire lord Ozai to potentially win the war. These should be things Roku couldn't have known about for having already died before the war really started in the first place, so this indicates Roku was able to have a type of precognitive vision of what would happen. Similar to how, say, DBS Beerus has that for being able to predict the rise of the Super Saiyan God.
And to add an honorable mention, while the Netflix Live Action Avatar is most likely not to be taken as canon or anything, we see the same kind of precognitive power from the Avatar in this version too, with Kyoshi warning Aang about the dangers of the siege on the Northern Water Tribe and the world falling into chaos. So it would seem like the Avatar having a kind of clairvoyance power is like a general view of being the case. But this one im fine with disregarding if this isn't concrete enough.
And....thats it for now. If I think of any other stuff, I can mention them or add them here, but this for now is what I bring to the table.
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