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Austin Theory vs Ace

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Pikaman said:
I’d say something but I meat ride Bálor so hard he’s in my signature so I can’t speak
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Pikaman said:
Austin is still a man in incredible shape who is rather clearly a wrestler, and they normally rely on LS based techniques (or at least that’s the public perception, quite a few, Theory included, don’t fall under that)
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The large sized people Ace fight ranged in height from 220cm - 261cm - 287cm - 320cm, all of them being heavily built.

Him viewing him as a wrestler would actually be detrimental to Austin. His personality is very similar to his brother Luffy and when presented with fighters who primarily used LS based techniques choose to challenge them in that style:
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RandomGuy2345 said:
I mean...Theory is still a behemoth compared to Ace. I find it a little weird how Ace would assume that Theory isn't as strong as them just because of size.

Then again, that doesn't mean much, considering that none of the pirates are anywhere near as skilled as Theory.
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He's regular human size, which compared to those who did overpower Ace is small; since you're making the argument that Ace would assume Austin is as strong as them you would need to provide sufficient reasoning on why he would assume that.
 
Eminiteable said:
Him viewing him as a wrestler would actually be detrimental to Austin. His personality is very similar to his brother Luffy and when presented with fighters who primarily used LS based techniques choose to challenge them in that style
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Huh, the more you know!

Doesn't change my stance but good to know
 
Here comes the moment where we will have to wait it out until people start voting, which will decide who will win.
 
Eminiteable said:
Ace can defeat large sized predators like Bears and Tigers with experience in combat, fought pirates stronger than him with lethal weapons and is more skilled than Sabo who's skill without his memory was beyond the teachings of a fish-man karate master.
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This vs ??? Knowing/fighting multiple martial arts?

Right? That's the skill argument? Or?
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
Not as impressive as combining Jujitsu, Pancrase, Muay Thai, Kickboxing, and Boxing in combat. Using the likes of The Undertaker and Kurt Angle would just be overkill. Theory has fought on par with far more versatile fighters with many different styles, from Luchadores, Technicians, Strikers, Powerhouses, and even hybrids of multiple different styles of combat. This is impressive, but nothing crazy.
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There are far more feats that were mentioned in that skill essay other than that Matt Riddle skill feat (which has already been proven to be legit).
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
There are far more feats that were mentioned in that skill essay other than that Matt Riddle skill feat (which has already been proven to be legit).
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What skill essay?

I didn't read this whole thread because I wasn't going to step in but did somehow
 
Well, for starters, Austin Theory was a bodybuilding champion at the age of 17. Here's an image of him in that bodybuilding competition. Keep in mind he was only 17 at the time. Now that he’s a full time professional wrestler at the age of 25, there’s no doubt in my mind that Theory is in full peak condition, making him physically superior to a lot of the wrestlers in the roster, as well as one of the most athletically gifted.

Theory was stated by commentary to have been blessed with all of the tools an athlete can hope for, and is a true prodigy in the world of professional wrestling. This already shows the massive amounts of potential/skill Theory has.

To start things off with a bang, there’s this new wrestler called Axiom. In this promo, he’s billed as someone who can quickly analyze and react to anything thanks to his gift for mathematics, which he uses to defeat wrestlers in the ring. Yes, this guy uses mathematical formulas while in the middle of a match to defeat his opponents. Keep in mind, this guy struggles with NXT wrestlers, while Austin Theory has fought on par with and defeated some of the best wrestlers in the business, so Theory is likely far superior to the likes of Axiom, which is already extremely impressive in itself.

Theory on his debut NXT match was able to fight on par with Roderick Strong. Strong has over 20 years of experience as a wrestler, and was nicknamed The Master of the Backbreaker, due to his ability to constantly target the opponent's back in wrestling matchups.

Theory was also able to hold his own against the likes of Aleister Black, who was trained in Pencak Silat and Kickboxing from the ages 9 to 15.

Austin Theory defeated Ricochet in only a couple of minutes. Ricochet is notorious for using his absurd levels of acrobatics and quick reflexes to blitz, overwhelm, and defeat his opponents.

Theory was able to give Bobby Lashley a good run for his money. Bobby Lashley has a very good mixed martial arts background, having a record of 15-2, defeating the likes of Joshua Franklin in 41 seconds (TKO), and Mike Cook in 24 seconds (Submission). He even defeated James Thompson, who at that point, had over a decade of experience in mixed martial arts. Lashley defeated him in 54 seconds via TKO.

Theory was also able to give AJ Styles a good run for his money. AJ Styles is the same guy who was able to beat John Cena clean. Cena is the same guy who looked like was about to beat Brock Lesnar before getting interrupted. Brock Lesnar was an Amateur Wrestler, and a Mixed Martial Artist career, which he uses, along with his Amateur Wrestling background to decimate his opponents. Lesnar had a record of 106-5 in his 4 years of college wrestling at the NCAA, as well as winning the NCAA Division I Heavyweight Championship. Lesnar also had a UFC career. Lesnar also ended the iconic 21-year Wrestlemania win streak of The Undertaker.

Theory was able to trade blows with the likes of Drew McIntyre. McIntyre is the same guy who had wars with the likes of Sheamus. In fact, while participating in a grueling ‘Good Old Fashioned Donnybrook’ match, McIntyre was even capable of kicking out of The Brogue Kick. The Brogue Kick is one of the most dangerous moves in all of Pro Wrestling. A referee suffered chronic neck pain when hit with the move. The Brogue Kick was stated to cause extreme nerve damage and tingling in the extremitiesof the victim. A move this dangerous was something that Drew McIntyre kicked out of, and Theory traded blows with McIntyre.

After a hard-hitting, physical match, Theory was able to defeat Dolph Ziggler clean. Ziggler has a great amateur wrestling background. Ziggler set the record for most pins in St. Edward High School with 82 pins. When he was a wrestler at Kent State University, he at one point, held the record for most career wins in the team's history, earning 121 wins (the record was soon broken, but this still says a lot for how skilled Theory is).

Dolph Ziggler is also the same guy who was able to give Matt Riddle a good run for his money. Matt Riddle states that he's basically done every form of combat sports from Jujitsu, Pancrase. Muay Thai, Boxing, and Kickboxing (Stated here).

Theory was able to defeat Finn Balor for the United States Championship, becoming the youngest US Champion in WWE history. Now here's where I go talking about Finn Balor's skill.

Finn Balor defeated Pete Dunne, who's fighting style revolves around brawling, stiff strikes, submission grappling, and bending of his opponents fingers (Small Joint Manipulation), which will leave someone extremely handicapped in a fight, especially since wrestling is all about striking, grappling and holding, and you can't do that without functioning fingers. Pete Dunne was also the same guy who was able to solo the entire Undisputed Era by himself, and the group has been regarded as one of the most dominant factions in WWE history. The group ended up winning all of the gold in NXT at one point.

Balor was also able to give Roman Reigns a good run for his money. Roman Reigns became the 2nd man to defeat The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

The Undertaker is considered the greatest pure striker in Sports Entertainment history. Even the likes of Kurt Angle was scared to take a punch from him.

If ya don't know Kurt Angle, he's notorious for winning a gold medal with a broken neck, who is this skilled, and was named the greatest shoot wrestler ever.
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Boom.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
The more I think about that feat, the more I think it's Analytical Prediction. Surprised staff just said it was a "Crazy good skill feat."
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I’m mostly on the fence about it, and PIS would be another hurdle since people without Analytical Prediction beating someone who does have Analytical Prediction would be wild
 
Pikaman said:
I’m mostly on the fence about it, and PIS would be another hurdle since people without Analytical Prediction beating someone who does have Analytical Prediction would be wild
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Or maybe it would just be a very, very good skill feat.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
Boom.
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Ok... But like, those are who he has defeated... Like.... I think that would be similar to saying Mike Tyson is more skilled than Bruce Lee because he would win in a fight...

It would be much better to show the opponents skill and then what the character could do against that opponent via his skills, because defeating someone doesn't mean your instantly just more skilled

Some of them he even lost...

Plus... 😤 nothing
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Ok... But like, those are who he has defeated... Like.... I think that would be similar to saying Mike Tyson is more skilled than Bruce Lee because he would win in a fight...
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I mean Theory and his opponents are pretty tight-knit in terms of AP, and when there is a difference, it’s Theory at the disadvantage
 
Pikaman said:
I mean Theory and his opponents are pretty tight-knit in terms of AP, and when there is a difference, it’s Theory at the disadvantage
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Doesn't matter, I can fight my cousin and be more skilled and stronger but lose because I wasn't feeling it that time or energy wasn't good, there's insanely ALOT of thing to take in to account, which is why saying how they beat the character is much better
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Ok... But like, those are who he has defeated... Like.... I think that would be similar to saying Mike Tyson is more skilled than Bruce Lee because he would win in a fight...

It would be much better to show the opponents skill and then what the character could do against that opponent via his skills, because defeating someone doesn't mean your instantly just more skilled

Plus... 😤 nothing
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WWE is a combat sport. If Character A defeats Character B clean in the middle of the ring, who's this skilled (description of skill feats), then Character A is just as, if not, more skilled than Character B.

Pikaman said:
I mean Theory and his opponents are pretty tight-knit in terms of AP, and when there is a difference, it’s Theory at the disadvantage
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Also this. Most of Theory's opponents are on the same level as him in terms of AP. When Theory is at disadvantage in AP, and the opponent he's facing is very skilled, it's even more impressive if he's able to hold his own, fight on par, or possibly even the defeat the guy.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Doesn't matter, I can fight my cousin and be more skilled and stronger but lose because I wasn't feeling it that time or energy wasn't good, there's insanely ALOT of thing to take in to account, which is why saying how they beat the character is much better
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All of the wrestlers on that skill essay Theory (or people he's comparable to) have beaten were 100% in full condition.
 
You do know that, speed, reflexes, reaction time, aggressiveness, breathing teachings, their body control + so much more are a huge factor in a fight
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
You do know that, speed, reflexes, reaction time, aggressiveness, breathing teachings, their body control + so much more are a huge factor in a fight
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WWE wrestlers all scale to each other in speed and reflexes, aggressiveness and breathing techniques are minuscule factors compared to skill, and body control (if you’re talking about what I think you’re talking about) is quite literally skill
 
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