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Their demise would mark the disappearance of the moon. That's like... a blatant case of stabilization. So why wouldn't it scale to the moon's GBE"Moon level" is just the GBE of the moon, which is just the energy that keeps the moon together.
Cratering the moon, slightly moving the moon, even completely pulverizing the moon isn't 5-C. I fail to see why it gains 5-C attack potency when it never attacks with 5-C power
DontTalkDT is a bureaucrat.Yeah, it would be bull if the rating gets rejected just because of one mod.
That's true, yeah, but it's still one word versus... manyDontTalkDT is a bureaucrat.
Their demise would mark the disappearance of the moon. That's like... a blatant case of stabilization. So why wouldn't it scale to the moon's GBE
There's no proof they can attack with power of that levelRequirement 4: Prove that the power of the character's stabilization consistently scales to their regular statistics, similar to our standards for creation feats.
Yeah. I honestly thought this would be more controversial than it is; nice to have 7 mods agree with it.That's true, yeah, but it's still one word versus... many
There's no proof they can attack with power of that level
Yall seem to forget that all because it's the moon, doesn't mean it hits with moon level energy.
The average weenie jumping 2 feet off the ground has street level energy. I'm not gonna say you can punch me with street level energy.
Ordinary humans punching at ordinary human speeds can get decently into 9-C (this is also established, albeit without a source, in our Superhuman Physical Characteristics page), but they can't one-shot ordinary people by striking their torso. They'd need to hit weak points to even knock someone out in one blow, let alone kill them.
How does that have any bearing to this thread at all?
That ain't the averagethe average
I was citing that you could punch me at Street level.How does that have any bearing to this thread at all?
You forgot Zhao one shot em?obviously, 5-C would scale to the moon spirit's durability, though
That's so whackAs I mentioned previously, the fish aren't the Moon and Ocean Spirits.
The Moon and Ocean Spirits are the moon and ocean, while the fish are merely their physical embodiments. However, they're linked in such a way where killing the Tui (the moon spirit's fish) will destroy the moon.
not fuego. agua.fuego
It helps that they were well-hidden from outsiders and the only information about their physical selves was in a hidden library guarded by a giant owl.That's so whack
So they're linked to the spirits with the feats that embody physical things, with fodder durability but fuego AP
Just going to point out that the above calc is wrong for reasons I should not have to explain. The average joe can punch within the 40-100 J range.Ordinary humans punching at ordinary human speeds can get decently into 9-C (this is also established, albeit without a source, in our Superhuman Physical Characteristics page), but they can't one-shot ordinary people by striking their torso. They'd need to hit weak points to even knock someone out in one blow, let alone kill them.
Didn't we upgrade 60 J being the baseline requirement for 10-B with 106 for 10-A?Just going to point out that the above calc is wrong for reasons I should not have to explain. The average joe can punch within the 40-100 J range.
Yeah, but the original Huey calc was in the Street level range.Didn't we upgrade 60 J being the baseline requirement for 10-B with 106 for 10-A?
To my knowledge, no one has quoted or directly addressed this comment by DontTalkDT, which I find questionable. It's been taken for granted that the linked feat is High 6-A, but no one has thoroughly explained why, and looking at the footage itself would suggest nothing of the sort. The fact that the feat covers the full range of the planet is only a matter of range, not AP - it doesn't involve "destroying" the surface of the earth in a traditional sense, and nothing else about it seems to suggest HIgh 6-A level AP. ATLA is not a verse I'm well involved in, so it's possible there is missing context from this clip that I have not seen, but someone needs to elaborate on this.Why would that be a High 6-A feat? He isn't blowing up the entire surface.
We already did by showing that they can control the tidal forces, and that it doesn't matter if conventional bending is Chi-based.To my knowledge, no one has quoted or directly addressed this comment by DontTalkDT, which I find questionable.
What feat are you talking about?It's been taken for granted that the linked feat is High 6-A, but no one has thoroughly explained why, and looking at the footage itself would suggest nothing of the sort. The fact that the feat covers the full range of the planet is only a matter of range, not AP - it doesn't involve "destroying" the surface of the earth in a traditional sense, and nothing else about it seems to suggest HIgh 6-A level AP.
Doesn't matter if what Sokka says and 'or something like that' is shaky. Koh (a perfectly valid source) confirms it regardless.In regards to whether the Moon and Ocean spirits are the actual moon and ocean, I'm uncertain. Almost every statement quoted regarding taking this literally has been shaky in some form - for example:
- Sokka is now dating the moon ...... Or something like that.
- SOKKA: Appa? But why would Princess Yue need him? She's the moon! She flies by herself!
I genuinely don't see how the rest of the discussion has similar issues. Everything else is from guides, or people talking about certain things that were proven correct later (like Tui or La's death severely affecting the balance of the world).With a casual, unspecific tones like this, these statements could have been made if they were literally the moon, or if they were just similar enough or connected enough to the moon to make it a reasonable comparison. A lot of the quotes provided so far have similar issues, and these in particular betray the fact that people don't always talk in the most specific way possible.
Nobody is planning to.I believe there is room for sincere and respectful discussion here, and I also believe that we'd be jumping the gun to shut the discussion off at this point.
From the creators themselves.In regards to whether the Moon and Ocean spirits are the actual moon and ocean, I'm uncertain.
As for the moon, one of the writers of the series made this commentary during this scene. Yue sees everything that the moon "sees".In regards to whether the Moon and Ocean spirits are the actual moon and ocean, I'm uncertain.
When you do reply to the CRT can you update the OP too? since I don't even know what the proposal is since I get not liking 5-C ATLA/LoK but afaik it doesn't mention what tier you want the verse to be downgraded to also I didn't participate in this CRT but isn't there supposed to be a 48hrs grace period for CRTs now? (especially for popular verses and/or big upgrades), I do believe it went through a little to quickly after the last staff/mod gave approval plus they might've been some confusion about what is considered "grace period" such as when a CRT is posted Vs when the last mod/staff voted on it but that's a different subject.Holy shit, I wanted to sleep and then there's like 35 messages. I'll be back in like eight hours.
No. Korra connected with cosmic energy. Even at her weakest, with a broken connection to the past Avatars and poison still in her blood stream, she could **** up Kuvira while briefly using it.I also agree with the op if Raava and vatuu would scale above 5-C then Korra after losing raava would also scale to 5-C even more considering this Vatuu was amped by Raava being gonne. The worse part is that because of the base of Chi that means base korra has the same power has her spirit that fuels her chi meaning that everyone that fought her would be scaling to as powerful as Raava and above the moon spirit
lean with disagreeing with the OP, current tier should stayHere's a summary of the arguments.
- Most of the people who've commented since you left disagree with the Spirit embodiment stuff.
- The Moon and Ocean Spirits are the Moon and the Ocean to the point where they have several statements calling them such.
- The feat was rejected for stabilisation (beyond a limited capacity, anyway), but it was accepted for High 6-A since they're responsible for the eternal dance and can control tidal forces, both in an unnatural manner. This also extends to Aang absorbing the Ocean Spirit.
- So far, practically none of the staff agree with your outlier argument even if they don't have other feats on that level.
Speaking of Cosmic Korra, I've finished a proposal to introduce a key for her and to smooth out Korra's other keys. Should I wait for this thread to be concluded before making that crt? It shouldn't affect any of the tiering.No. Korra connected with cosmic energy. Even at her weakest, with a broken connection to the past Avatars and poison still in her blood stream, she could **** up Kuvira while briefly using it.
There's no scaling here.