Avatar Korra Space-Time Hax Addition

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Will make this short and simple. Was rewatching Avatar / Legend of Korra recently and this popped up in my head as a reminder. So, we have Korra's very infamous feat of bending Kuvira's Spirit Cannon beam:



The end result of doing so was Korra being able to create a new spirit portal between the physical and spiritual worlds, which are very obviously treated as separate dimensional worlds, and this new portal, like the original ones, connects both worlds. We also have what Korra says to Kuvira.

"No, we're okay. But we're in the Spirit World. All the energy from your weapon tore open a new portal, and blasted us in here."

Korra pretty much forcibly connected both worlds using the spirit energy of Kuvira's spirit cannon, which blasted them into the spirit world. Since Korra did this explicitly using Energybending (or, Spiritbending) to literally connect both worlds, she should get limited Space-Time Manipulation for essentially tearing through the space-time of both worlds to create a connection. Not to mention, the spirit energy itself tore through space-time and she was bending it.

EDIT: Maybe resistance, too? Both Korra and Kuvira were also at the very epicenter of the spirit energy explosion that created the new portal, both being sent to the spirit world and were completely unaffected.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Bump

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

Yeah limited Space-Time Manipulation seems fine. Maybe we can get it to full at some point because there's a few things I can think of that could make this broader in its application, but this works for the time being.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Notice how it says: “No, we're okay. But we're in the Spirit World. All the energy from your weapon tore open a new portal, and blasted us in here." To me, this reads like another Spiritbending feat for Korra (It's called the Spirit Energy Cannon, so) - and she also wouldn't have been able to create this portal on her own, without the amount of energy from Kuvira's weapon in the first place.

I think so long as that's made clear somewhere on her profile, this is fine.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

EDIT: Maybe resistance, too? Both Korra and Kuvira were also at the very epicenter of the spirit energy explosion that created the new portal, both being sent to the spirit world and were completely unaffected.

Korra was the one who was interacting with the blast. I think I would just attribute Kuvira being unharmed to Korra clearly protecting her.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Notice how it says: “No, we're okay. But we're in the Spirit World. All the energy from your weapon tore open a new portal, and blasted us in here." To me, this reads like another Spiritbending feat for Korra (It's called the Spirit Energy Cannon, so) - and she also wouldn't have been able to create this portal on her own, without the amount of energy from Kuvira's weapon in the first place.

I think so long as that's made clear somewhere on her profile, this is fine.

To be somewhat fair, I think it is more a competent of the Avatar themselves having the ability rather than the spirit cannon, since we’ve seen Kuviras cannon launch this energy many times without it by itself having an effect on space-time on some scale. When Korra bends it, however, that’s then the effect takes place.

And I think what can further support this is the fact that the Avatar is the only being (other than Raava/Vaatu who created the original spirit portals) who can open or close the spirit portals between the worlds, so it demonstrates that they have some kind of spatial-temporal effect on some kind of scale.

Korra was the one who was interacting with the blast. I think I would just attribute Kuvira being unharmed to Korra clearly protecting her.

This I’m fine with, though. Kuviras not the important one here to gain this, so I’m fine if she doesn’t get it. Korra however I think should still receive it.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

And now that I think about it, shouldn’t Raava/Vaatu get this too then?

They (or Vaatu IIRC) were the ones who originally created the spirit portals anyway by breaking through the barrier between the 2 worlds (based on what Vaatu said to Wan)

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

To be somewhat fair, I think it is more a competent of the Avatar themselves having the ability rather than the spirit cannon, since we’ve seen Kuviras cannon launch this energy many times without it by itself having an effect on space-time on some scale. When Korra bends it, however, that’s then the effect takes place.

And I think what can further support this is the fact that the Avatar is the only being (other than Raava/Vaatu who created the original spirit portals) who can open or close the spirit portals between the worlds, so it demonstrates that they have some kind of spatial-temporal effect on some kind of scale.

I think there's a misunderstanding.

I'm not saying that the Spirit Cannon should get the ability to open portals/affect space-time - I'm saying that that Korra bending a massive amount of spirit energy from a clearly out-of-control cannon, which was also being amped by the spirit vines it was entangled in, was required for Korra to achieve this feat at all. The limited space-time P&A for Korra is fine.

Korra specified that the weapon's energy from tore open a new portal - and I think it goes without saying that this happened because Korra was able to clearly able to Spirit Bend it. She's the one who explains how and why it happened immediately afterwards anyways, thus the "No, we're okay. But we're in the Spirit World. All the energy from your weapon tore open a new portal, and blasted us in here." statement.

This I’m fine with, though. Kuviras not the important one here to gain this, so I’m fine if she doesn’t get it. Korra however I think should still receive it.

Wanted to ask; Resistance to Space-time manipulation or Energy? Because the portal being created happens after all that energy is sent up in a yellow column.

For Korra, I'd be fine with Resistance via being able to Spirit Bend the cannon's energy.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I think there's a misunderstanding.

I'm not saying that the Spirit Cannon should get the ability to open portals/affect space-time - I'm saying that that Korra bending a massive amount of spirit energy from a clearly out-of-control cannon, which was also being amped by the spirit vines it was entangled in, was required for Korra to achieve this feat at all. The limited space-time P&A for Korra is fine.

Korra specified that the weapon's energy from tore open a new portal - and I think it goes without saying that this happened because Korra was able to clearly able to Spirit Bend it. She's the one who explains how and why it happened immediately afterwards anyways, thus the "No, we're okay. But we're in the Spirit World. All the energy from your weapon tore open a new portal, and blasted us in here." statement.

Well as I had mentioned, I see what your saying, but with the other supporting details like the Avatar closing/opening the portals, I don’t think the ability is limited to needing a certain amount of spiritual energy. And even if it was, Korras ability to energybend should just be able to give her the energy to do that, anyway.

Wanted to ask; Resistance to Space-time manipulation or Energy? Because the portal being created happens after all that energy is sent up in a yellow column.

For Korra, I'd be fine with Resistance via being able to Spirit Bend the cannon's energy.

Well, the energy that tears through space-time gets consolidated into a single point, which Korra was in the epicenter of, and then when the portals formed by the yellow column, she and Kuvira in a passed out state get blasted into the spirit world.

That would suggest at least Korra getting direct contact with the cannons energy in the middle of this, and with coming out unscathed, it should be space-time resistance.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

bump

 

[Bernkastelll]

I saw this some days ago but I forgot to comment, I agree

 

[Kavopaco]

bump

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

I agree with Kuki, though I think it should be limited space-time manipulation, at least for now.

Yeah limited Space-Time Manipulation seems fine. Maybe we can get it to full at some point because there's a few things I can think of that could make this broader in its application, but this works for the time being.

I'm curious about what you had in mind?

 

[Nierre]

need more people to put respect on Korra's name

lim s-tm for korra is fine with me

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Well, the energy that tears through space-time gets consolidated into a single point, which Korra was in the epicenter of, and then when the portals formed by the yellow column, she and Kuvira in a passed out state get blasted into the spirit world.

That would suggest at least Korra getting direct contact with the cannons energy in the middle of this, and with coming out unscathed, it should be space-time resistance.

I also agree with this, especially considering the spirit realm is a place where time passes differently compared to the physical realm. Though only Korra should get resistance, since Kuvira was under the energybending shield that Korra had created.

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

How is making a portal between dimensions equivalent to ripping through space-time? Am I just being dumb and not seeing something obvious?

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

I'm confused as well, as I'm not sure if we really equivalate opening portals through dimensions automatically coin it as Space-Time Manipulation

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

I'm confused as well, as I'm not sure if we really equivalate opening portals through dimensions automatically coin it as Space-Time Manipulation

Well, Majin Buu has the same ability under his profile for the same reasons, so there's precedence.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

I'm confused as well, as I'm not sure if we really equivalate opening portals through dimensions automatically coin it as Space-Time Manipulation

She specifically mentioned that the cannon's energy tore open a portal. She had no reason to open one herself in that moment either.

Given the context, I wouldn't say Korra intentionally opened the portal. It seems more like a side effect of her bending the cannon's spirit energy to protect Kuvira, which just so happened to BFR them to the Spirit Realm on top of making a new spirit portal.

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Well, Majin Buu has the same ability under his profile for the same reasons, so there's precedence.

The page says it's outdated, so that'll probably be subject to future changes.

She specifically mentioned that the cannon's energy tore open a portal. She had no reason to open one herself in that moment either.

Given the context, I wouldn't say Korra intentionally opened the portal. It seems more like a side effect of her bending the cannon's spirit energy to protect Kuvira, which just so happened to BFR them to the Spirit Realm on top of making a new spirit portal.

How exactly does makes this Space-Time Manipulation?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I'm confused as well, as I'm not sure if we really equivalate opening portals through dimensions automatically coin it as Space-Time Manipulation

The argument for it counting as that is because Korra's bending the energy that forcibly tore through the 2 worlds and became a spirit portal in the process. It wouldn't just simply be opening a portal. She'd have to be actively tearing through the space-time of the 2 dimensions in order to connect them. That should at the very least be limited or low level space-time manipulation.

She specifically mentioned that the cannon's energy tore open a portal. She had no reason to open one herself in that moment either.

Yes, but the important factor here is that the cannon's energy by itself isn't doing that. Korra's energybending is the component that has that ability.

Especially since, what can support this, is the fact that the Avatar is the only being (other than Raava and Vaatu) who can at will open and close any of the portals between the 2 worlds, so its very implied to be an ability tied to Korra / the Avatar.

 

[AsterReal]

Initially I thought this was just a feat of Portal Creation. But after reading the whole thread. I think it is good that Korra has Limited Space-Time Manipulation.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Bump

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Kavopaco]

i agree with the thread.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Bump. One more vote needed.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Bump

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Bump.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Bump.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Bumparoonie.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Given this is somewhat a slight change and there looks to be more agreement for it, should the changes just be made?

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Given this is somewhat a slight change and there looks to be more agreement for it, should the changes just be made?

This isn't really a verse-wide change and you got two staff votes.

Think you're good.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

This isn't really a verse-wide change and you got two staff votes.

Think you're good.

Fair enough. I guess I'll add it in then. Are references needed? I haven't edited pages in quite a long time and I know the standards for revising pages changed, so thought id ask.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Bump

 

[Reiner04]

This is fine.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Are references needed?

It wouldn't hurt to add them.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

It wouldn't hurt to add them.

Okay. Is there a special format to add them in as for them?

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Okay. Is there a special format to add them in as for them?

You need to add abilities via editing the page source cause editing the page itself is frowned on. Highlighting and inserting the reference into your explanation by clicking the insert link button should be good enough.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Okay I added it to Korra's page, but im not sure how to add in the reference to the source editor. If anyone would like to fix that if necessary.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

It looks good. Our girl's got a pretty solid hax and resistance wall.