Alright so, I read through the Volume 2 Novel to see what this 2-C hype about Beastheads was about and I feel lied to.
There is nothing remotely '2-C' about the beastheads. I encourage everyone who is on the fence about 3-A+ DMC to read the Volume 2 novel from here:
https://originaldmc.github.io/DivinityStatue/Downloads.html
Its a very short read and will clear up confusion and will show that 3-A and up is, thus far, complete and utter, wank.
Let me summarize.
-The Beastheads didn't create time-space, at all, and at best 'represent' it. This is little more than a title. They can give illusions of the past and future and can transport you to alternate timelines. This is a hax ability. and represents absolutely nothing regarding their AP, and hurting/defeating them represents nothing for the opponent's AP either. Proof of this is that Beryl's rifle did immense damage to the beastheads, and how powerful was Beryl's rifle? It was literally described as being designed as an anti-tank rifle in the very beginning:
"Beryl fired off five shots in quick succession. The rifle had been designed to bring down tanks. Its ordnance could punch through steel plates" (pg 31)
Yet it did huge damage to the beastheads:
"Beryl grabbed the anti-tank rifle from her back. Its reassuring weight boosted her confidence further. "Dante! You won't get anywhere with those peashooters!" Dante swung low to the ground, giving Beryl a clear shot at their adversary. She squeezed off five rounds at the creature. The missiles punched deep into the Beastheads' flesh. The demon unleashed a roar that drowned out the returning thunder. The whipping wind regained its mournful whistle as the Beastheads' localized hold on nature relaxed." (pg 88-89)
Dante also acknowledged the beastheads as somewhat of a challenge in their first fight, despite also saying later that he is stronger now than he was before when he fought Mundus. In this initial appearance the Beastheads may have been weaker than Mundus, but if they scale by even 1% to him, its a huge knock on Mundus' capabilities abilities.
Furthermore, it was said that Beryl's dad took possession of the beastheads to try to find way to bring his dead wife; Beryl's mother, back to life. But it explicitly said the beastheads didn't have the ability to do that. So even with this supposed 'control' over time they can't even actively change the past, at all.
The Beastheads do not exist beyond time or space or anything like that, hell there are even multiple Beastheads, one for each timeline apparently since the alternate timeline where they dumped Dante and Beryl to had its own Beastheads in that world as well.
And before someone tries to say "Oh her bullets are magical", actually, only some of them are, and she doesn't start to use her magical bullets until near the very end when she took out some ghost knights. Prior to that, her bullets weren't harming the ghosts knights near the beginning of the book. So yeah, she was using regular anti-tank rounds against the Beastheads in the first fight in the middle of the book, and they were doing damage. Also, we know she only used her magic bullets for the first time against the Ghost Knights at the end because Dante flinched when she used them, they passively drained some magic from his body just from him being near them. And yet Dante was in the vicinity of the normal bullets all throughout the book throughout and made no comment. Even when Dante and Beryl were fighting the Beastheads near the sea cliff in the middle of the book and she was showering the thing with bullets and Dante was up close slashing it, he did not feel any ambient anti-magic energy from her bullets then. Dante was super-surprised when Beryl pulled out her magic bullets near the end and was wondering why she never brought them up prior to that.
Beryl only used one magical bullet against the Beastheads, and that wasn't until the final fight when Chen absorbed the power of the Beastheads, and it practically one-shotted him.
So yeah, 100% confirmed that the Beastheads were being hurt by literal, mere Anti-tank rounds in the first seaside cliff fight. The only time a magic bullet was used against the Beastheads was in the final fight near the end when Chen absorbed them, and even then it only took one to do it in, with Dante making the final blow right after it got shot by it.
If anyone has played Toukiden 1 or 2 on the Vita or PS4, you would know that the Demons/Oni in that game are similar, they took have great time distorting powers. Such that they can even bring the different parts of time together, such as bringing past eras into the future. And yet its not treated as AP, its a hax ability of theirs, their actual AP is far more modest with stronger Oni being only town level and up, being said to be capable of one shotting villages and creating storms and such. The Beastheads are the same.
There is nothing 2-C here. At all.
This claim was seriously worse than when some Bleach guys tried to wank Aizen to universal for destroying the cleaner in Dangai. This was really, really bad for whoever made this argument.
More things of interest:
-Alternate versions of Shadow, Phantom, Blade, Frost, and Griffon all transformed into their demon forms in this twisted Earth but were afraid to do so because magic on the Earth was less than that of the underworld. They are weaker here and have less energy. Confirmed. So yeah, Demons are stronger are in the Underworld. It also explicitly said when they accompanyied Dante to the Underworld to combat this alternate Mundus that their powers were restored by the underworld. So yeah, explicit confirmation that Demons are stronger in the Underworld because of the ambient magic there. This further massively damages the 3-A Mundus hype. He didn't do this shit in neutral territory, and judging by how unimpressive Abigail was on Earth, he can't. Likewise this direct relationship with magic and power exists for Dante as well, as later in the book the magic in his body coming from his demonic bloodline started being drained away, and he started losing his superhuman stats because of it.
So yeah, both Dante and Mundus were massively amped during their first fight in the Underworld and during their Void fight. The magic was so strong in that void place that Griffon and Blade couldn't enter because they would be overloaded from the magic.
-Now regarding the claim of Void Mundus battle. There was zero scale to it sadly. Also, regarding the supposed quote of Mundus being the sole ruler of creation? In context that quote looks far less impressive: "Attacking Mundus in his own keep had proven a masterstroke. The creature could scarcely comprehend the assault. His supremacy was supposed to be absolute; the sole ruler of creation for timeless eternity. Yet here was an arrogant trespasser-human no less-who had power equal to his own." (pg 145)
Sorry, but that doesn't look like a flat, matter of fact statement. That looks more like a slightly mocking statement of how Void Mundus sees *himself*. Afterall he said his supremacy was supposed to be absolute, yet that was clearly proven false. And likewise, it doesn't credit him for creation, at all. Just that he was meant to *RULE* over creation for an eternity. Unfortunately Dante cut his plans for eternity short. Sorry, but until it says he actually birthed all of creation, this is all puffed up language being misinterpreted.
-Literally just before he fought Void Mundus, he fought Alternate Trish, in a fight he was actually losing until he started mixing up Ebony and Ivory with his swordplay. Before that when it was just him with Rebellion and her with Alastor, she was winning the swordplay. And their clashes were described as 'hurricane gales', but even that was in a tongue in cheek kind of way if you read the context:
"The battle was epic enough to be described in language Trish would normally use. She would probably say the ground shook beneath their feet. Their blades clashed with peals of thunder and hurricane gales. She might even describe their massive swords in pornographic detail." (pg 131)
-When Chen had absorbed the power of the Beastheads in the final fight, he was stated to become equal to Sparda himself and was even wielding an imitation sword. And yet his fight did little more than damage the office building they were in (very much like how Dante's fight with Abigail didn't even destroy the skyscraper they were fighting on) , and yet Dante was still pushed to his absolute limit in this fight. This fight was way tougher for Dante than the Void Mundus fight from earlier in the book, and I'm supposed to be believe 3-A or even 2-C exists? Sorry. Not happening.
Tier 6 DMC remains unless some drastic new information comes out.
I'm not opposed to upgrades, but I am opposed to dishonest or weakly grounded information used to scale.
In the mean time I will pour through the Volume 1 novel and all the art gallergy info from DMC5 to see if I can find anything.
