Arifureta: immortality and regeneration

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Immortality:

type 3: with Bel Agarta

type 4:
Reincarnation: It exist in the verse.

Alfard finished eating his last sandwich, which seemed to mark the end of this strange topic of discussion.“Anyway, the point is that when people die, their souls dissipate, but they don’t disappear. They simply become a part of the natural world again.
They’re still there.”“Still there...”“Then after eons and eons, when the right vessel is born, they once again coalesce and enter that vessel.”“
So what you’re trying to say is that when a person dies, their soul turns into primal energy, and eventually, that primal energy enters another person and becomes their soul?”"
Exactly. And since they return to nature first, it’s not like the person who inherits that soul remembers what it was like before.”“So reincarnation is when, for some reason or the other, that soul doesn’t completely get wiped clean and retains its original form when it enters another person?”“

Resurrection:
Limited for characters with Bel Agarta (check below)

For demons(soul) because they can use a human body to be reborn

they lost their body and keep existing as a soul, but they can regain it.

At the same time, the bloody wind that was blowing violently in hell――that which was called as “the wind of lamentation”, seemed usable to form a transient flesh body which was centered on the soul.

Although, in the first place, “hell” was a world that wasn’t suitable for people with a flesh body to continue to exist. Thus, just like how those ghoul-like things looked like that, the flesh body there was constantly incomplete and ugly. As for their ability to think, people whose soul was of particularly fine quality when they were human would have it to a certain degree, but normal people were only able to act instinctually.

「That is the reason why they are trying to descend into this world. If they are able to materialize on Earth, they will be able to maintain a definite flesh body. Like that, naturally, the rank of their soul will rise, and they will be able to take back their thinking ability.」ch 308

their temporary body is made from it.

physical attacks are useless

All of the attacking “somethings” ――bloodshot dark red eyes, hair, and teeth that grew sparsely, bizarrely long limbs, a thin and ashen body that had a deficit here and there, and yet only their stomach was strangely bloating up――had their heads tumbling to the ground without a single exception. It was as though they were monsters like ghouls.

And then, they got up as if nothing happened.

「No way!?」

Kousuke-san who entered Abyss Lord mode briefly reflexively returned to normal.

The ghoul-like things that he had definitely beheaded were regenerating their heads as the cut section began bubbling and swelling up. Their tumbling heads started withering rapidly and were blown away by the bloody wind.

Even during that time, the ghoul-like things attacked him one after another.

unless the attack deal damage to their soul

「Hou. It appears their regeneration is faltering before my abyssal skill, isn’t it?」

Lord Abyssgate was staying in midair with the power of the Air Force boots while narrowing his eyes behind his sunglasses in a striking pose.

Just as he said, the winged ghoul-like things which got hit by “Gouka Beni Senpuu” were turned into dust and carried by the wind without being able to regenerate.

Were they weak against flames? Or perhaps because it was an attack by magic? If it was the latter, then would physical attacks be effective as long as he coated them with magic power? ch 303

and they can be reborn through a female body.

For apparition because they will just resurrect after their body and soul are destroyed and comback as long the concept isn't destroyed.

「Hero-sama, rest assured.」

「……?」

「Taking them down won’t lead to “death”. There is only one thing that can bring death to the apparitions. It’s to be “forgotten by the world”. Even if we bring them down here, they will be revived again one day.」

「Revived? You mean resurrection?」

「They won’t die so it’s more precise to call it “regeneration” instead……you can interpret it like that. Rather, bringing them down can be said as liberation for them from their maddened conception body even though it’s only temporarily.」

「……」

It seemed the strange vanishing of those nine-tails and karasu tengu that should be called as “disintegration” was caused by such thing.

type 6: souls, demons and apparitions can posses people, machines and objects.

Demons:
possessing people

However, he was already the lord so it was irrelevant! The lord sent a thumb up at Emily that was cryptic when seen from the side. The the lord’s gaze looked around toward the approaching cultists and the demons that were letting out repulsive shriek.

Two male cultists who were at the very front leaped toward the lord.

An aging man wearing shabby outfit and a middle-aged man wearing a worn-out suit. Each of them was armed with kitchen knife and something like a crowbar. From a glance the two men looked like a hobo and a salary man who was working in a black company. Their movement was the very picture of amateur just like their appearance suggested.

Although,

「GaAAAAAAAAH」

「UaAAAAH」

They were screaming with their saliva flying everywhere. Their shining red pupils were shrinking and only madness could be felt from their attacking figure. In addition, their movement was terribly fast as though their flesh body’s limiter was cancelled.

Their condition that wouldn’t be an exaggeration at all to be called as repulsive was enough to make those who faced them to falter.

In fact, Emily, Carl and others were shaking. Even the bodyguards who were used to fighting scene were holding their breath.

An unnatural sound of cutting wind came from behind such Emily and co.

The hazy phenomenon of something without shape exerting their influence to this world. The demons were trying to take Emily and others by surprise right now.

At the front were two cultists who had fallen into madness. At the back were demons.

possessing golems

「It really made things a lot more convenient that each of the Grim Reapers has their own passenger but……even though they should be my weapon, I have to be careful of the risk of rebellion. What’s with this……」

Because, the inside of the Grim Reapers were authentic demons.

Compared to Hajime controlling all of the Grim Reapers by himself, the scale of the application was in a different level with this arrangement. It was Hajime himself who accepted this situation because the combat ability of each Grim Reaper and their ability to carry out strategy couldn’t even be compared from before. And so, as expected he couldn’t decide to just fire all of the demons after this late, but perhaps it would be better if he prepared a bit more safety measure from now.

possessing machines

The ground went astir. It felt like there was repulsive cries 『AaAAAAAAA-』 coming from below. Even though warm sunlight was shining down, the body temperature felt like it was going down slightly……

「Ah, come to think of it, the Grim Reapers are searching throughout the holy land. They’re looking for any useful looking parts that they might be able to offer to you.」

The moment Kousuke said that, shadows flew out from throughout the holy lands. It was the Grim Reapers. Strangely, the shapes of the shadows that were reflected on the ground or tower were different from the shape of the body frame. The shadows……were hard to describe, with shapes like gargoyle thingy, or undefined form something……

「Disgusting.」

「They’re your subordinates.」

Hajime reflexively muttered. Right after Kousuke’s calm tsukkomi pierced into him, around 4500 Grim Reapers and 500 machine soldiers lined up orderly on the air in front of Hajime. They all bowed toward him like retainers. In addition, the 500 machine soldiers were also shouldering damaged Grim Reapers. It seemed they had switched bodies.

Demons are just humans who could survive as a soul.

Apparitions:

According to her, possession ability was like a default ability for apparition, even so they could choose their vessel. There would be no problem if they possessed something disposable, but if the vessel was too powerful, or if they carelessly stayed in there for too long, occasionally it would be the soul that got influenced by the vessel.

And, if Ua Alto’s soul had been residing in the holy sword ever since the time that wasn’t too long since the creation of Tortus, and on top of that if there was a long period of time she didn’t get used……

「It’s understandable that she got affected by the nature of inorganic object and her will became thinner. In that state, the only way left she can react will be instinctually or emotionally. Such end is common knowledge even among the apparitions.」

「But, she isn’t dead by any means. Isn’t that right, Aula?」

Aularodde nodded strongly.

「However, it seems the frequency and speed of her reaction is increasing since visiting the fairy world. And seeing how we can also see her goddess figure sometimes, I conclude that she’s in the path of recovery. Her soul must not have been damaged irrevocably.」

She was usually acting like that, but Aularodde sounded persuasive when she made such assortment with firm decisiveness in her eyes. Relieved atmosphere filled the room.

「Still, it was something that happened through great stretch of time. It will take time for her to recover fully. Originally, soul is a forbidden domain that even god cannot easily interfere with. Not to mention she is a goddess of creation herself. Her soul is fundamentally different from human soul. No matter how powerful and transcendence you all are, be aware of the potentially fatal risk for a child of man to reach your hand toward such thing.」ch 459

type 7: demons and apparitions can exist without a body.

type 8:
For characters with Bel Agarta

For apparition because they rely on The Heaven Tree's energy(element of thought) and conception:

「Apparitions are existences that is born from legends of other worlds. The heaven tree absorbed the thoughts of the people that are filled with those legends and grant them shape. The heaven tree is the lynchpin of this world with such role.」

According to her, the residences of this world were existences that were materialized from the legends of other worlds.

Legends were the wishes and prayers of the people, or perhaps objects of reverence, or even symbols of fear.

Those things were called as “conception” in general. It was a form of energy that was similar to magic power and the like.

And then, this conception existed in any world. The heaven world absorbed those conceptions through the great trees of other worlds, converted them into the unique energy of this world that was called “thought element”, and gave it form.

and they need element of thought only to revive

In other words they were similar existences like the devils. Devils are mythological existences that were talked in bible and the like, but they were actually otherworlders who really existed in another world called hell. Similar with that, if they were just a strange creature then they had no need for thought elements.

And then the other possibility was “the existences crossed from the fairy world before the king tree perished and they were surviving until now”.

「There is no thought element so if they die then that’s it for them. They can’t revive like in fairy world, but the conception of them itself exist. Without external factor affecting them, it’s possible for them to continue existing without going mad.」

Regeneration:

Mid: For characters with Bel Agarta.

Low-Godly:

For apparitions

For demons: they can survive as a soul and regenerate or manifest their physical body incase of destruction.

For elemental spirits: they can switch between between element(energy) and a physical body.

But, the next instant,

『Gofuh……eh?』

Laila was dumbfounded with her mouth staying half open at the fact that she was vomiting blood.

『Ouch, wha, what? My body feels hurt-』

『What’s this? Inside my body, something……』

Enti and Barahu also stopped moving because of the bewilderment from the pain suddenly running through their body.

In addition,

「Gahah」

The army leader also vomited a lot of blood. No, not just him, all the celestial people also started to writhe in agony.

That abnormality didn’t stop at just the celestial people and divine spirits, it also reached the spirit beasts. The enormous and powerful beasts were starting to rage in agony on the whole.

It was like they were in a nightmare. The countless crows flying around right beside or above them were furthering the disappearance of their sense of reality.

『Dispel your materialization! Reconstruct your form! Don’t inhale the fog!』

The roared advice came from Merees who spoke out words for the first time since coming here. He was the most taciturn among the divine spirits, even his brethren almost never heard his words. And now his voice was filled with anxiety.

Just as they were told, the divine spirits transformed, Laila into black fog, Enti into whirling wind, Barahu into ice and snow, and Merees into water current. Then they immediately reconstructed their physical body. After that, they shut out the mist in their respective way.

By doing that, the pain just now was gone as though it was only a lie.

Mid-Godly: (Resurrection)

Apparitions: they will keep resurrecting as long their concept remain.


Immortality and Regeneration negation:

Can someone explain how negation works?

Bel Agarta:

Bel Agarta: A satellite artifact that is deployed outside the atmosphere, that can regenerate the target and revive the dead by shooting down a stream of light imbued with Restoration Magic. Even if the target is underground or indoor, by using the spider type golem Arachne’s in-built gate to send in the light through it, the regeneration light could still reach with pinpoint accuracy.

Agree: @Elizhaa , @DarkDragonMedeus ,@LuffyRuffy46307 ,@Community_Gamer ,@Shiraito983 ,@AdamVhenJP ,


Disagree:

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Ehm, You need to link scans that can prove what you are trying to get accepted. If not it will be ignored, and in some cases it is even bannable.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Ehm, You need to link scans that can prove what you are trying to get accepted. If not it will be ignored, and in some cases it is even bannable.

Oops, I accidently posted this .

give me arround 24h.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Ehm, You need to link scans that can prove what you are trying to get accepted. If not it will be ignored, and in some cases it is even bannable.

Added some scans, what do you think?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

This looks good

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

This looks good

Thanks

How does immortality and regeneration negation works?
If someone destroy a character and seal his source of immortality and regeneration to prevent him from being revived, does it count?

「I see……that’s why you said that they are immortal.」

「Yes. An apparition’s death will only come when the legend that is their origin is completely forgotten.」

Aularodde nodded and continued explaining. According to her, naturally the existences that were talked in mythology――the like of god, divine beast, and evil god seemed to exist too.

There was no mythology bunch among the invasion this time was because in the past Aularodde had faced them at the very beginning and defeated them. Even now she kept interfering with the conception to prevent them from being revived.

In other words, she succeeded in temporarily sealing the mythological existences, but because of that Aularodde’s power was constantly being greatly limited.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Thanks

How does immortality and regeneration negation works?
If someone destroy a character and seal his source of immortality and regeneration to prevent him from being revived, does it count?

I think this is sealing and not denial of regeneration

I don't understand about regeneration denial, but the character must deny the opponents regeneration as an attack or by killing them and ignoring them.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I think this is sealing and not denial of regeneration

I don't understand about regeneration denial, but the character must deny the opponents regeneration as an attack or by killing them and ignoring them.

He has to destroy them first then seal their source of power to preven them from reviving.

Characters can get regeneration negation by slowing or preventing a character from regeneration, like attacking someone soul to slow his regeneration. (check Yuji from Jujutsu Kaisen)

Destroying the soul will prevent a character from reincarnating therefore it's a negation of immortality type 4.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

He has to destroy them first then seal their source of power to preven them from reviving.

Characters can get regeneration negation by slowing or preventing a character from regeneration, like attacking someone soul to slow his regeneration. (check Yuji from Jujutsu Kaisen)

Destroying the soul will prevent a character from reincarnating therefore it's a negation of immortality type 4.

I see, if you say so it sounds good.

 

[Vietthai96]

Thanks

How does immortality and regeneration negation works?
If someone destroy a character and seal his source of immortality and regeneration to prevent him from being revived, does it count?

「I see……that’s why you said that they are immortal.」

「Yes. An apparition’s death will only come when the legend that is their origin is completely forgotten.」

This is type 8 immortality, and the negation of this is type 8 negation

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Thanks, the character use his authority over element of thought (it's like energy of imagination) to prevent ideas(characters, powers) from materializing.

Is this Subjective reality nullification?

 

[Vietthai96]

Another weird feat, can you show me the contexts and scan??

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Another weird feat, can you show me the contexts and scan??

The Heaven Tree is the source of their existence and power.

「Apparitions are existences that is born from legends of other worlds. The heaven tree absorbed the thoughts of the people that are filled with those legends and grant them shape. The heaven tree is the lynchpin of this world with such role.」

According to her, the residences of this world were existences that were materialized from the legends of other worlds.

Legends were the wishes and prayers of the people, or perhaps objects of reverence, or even symbols of fear.

Those things were called as “conception” in general. It was a form of energy that was similar to magic power and the like.

And then, this conception existed in any world. The heaven world absorbed those conceptions through the great trees of other worlds, converted them into the unique energy of this world that was called “thought element”, and gave it form.

This include powers and energy related to their legend.
and

「I can guess. The origin that produces life in this world, the energy that the apparitions needed to live……this thought element thing is in influx and vanishing right?」

「Tsu, how did you……」

「I’m just guessing but, they are like that because of being starved aren’t they? Even humans would go mad like that when starved.」

「……If I can add, as the result of the influx and circulation slowing down, the thought element of this world is stagnating. That’s also one of the causes.」

「So it’s like the air is polluted.」

「Yes. Because of that they lost all reason and……」

「They are seized by their ego that is the origin of their existence. They are showing disposition just like in their legend while swarming at the heaven tree that is the tree producing their food. In reality the influx of conception hasn’t actually reach zero right?」

「You understand that much……don’t tell me, you……no, all of you has gone to multiple worlds?」

The goddess has authority over this energy.

That in itself was problematic……while everyone was thinking that, the talk continued. According to Aularodde, the existences in this world were all formed from thought element. As the avatar of the heaven tree, Aularodde was able to interfere with that thought element.

She was free to annihilate or give birth with a single finger flick――that was something that she couldn’t do, but even if she was facing a god apparition that was the supreme god or war god or a being that called themselves evil god or great demon in other worlds, as long as they were a life of this world, she was able to chip off a substantial amount of their strength when facing them.

That was the reason why she was the goddess of this world――the supreme deity here.

 

[Vietthai96]

My brain hurt from reading these thing bruhhhhhh

Hmm, look like Info 2 and Concept hax more than Subjective Reality, or it is three of these haxes together

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

My brain hurt from reading these thing bruhhhhhh

Hmm, look like Info 2 and Concept hax more than Subjective Reality, or it is three of these haxes together

I get you.

Maybe a mix of that, by the way conception(collective consciousness) is Concept type 2 and Apparitions can use info type 1 to prevent people from knowing their name.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

This is an AE regenerate after losing her body.

「This feeling……don’t tell me, they interfered with the thought element on their own?」

Netemp Mother and Etemp-san bent backward in unison. They also didn’t forget to make their fingers and legs snapped up to point above. An overwhelming smugness radiated from them.

「Using Ehito’s formula to convert piety into magic power as reference, we tried our best with apostle’s knowledge, technique, and also “fighting spirit” that we learned from Shia-sama.」

they reform their body using element of thought.

Aularodde ignored such exchange and stared fixedly at the materialized Etemp once more.

「This thought element’s density, the massiveness of the conception……has she really been reborn as apparition――」

「You there! I’m a fairy!」

「N-no, you are composed of thought element of another world, so by definition you are apparition――」

「I – am – a – fai – ry!」

「……Yes, you are a fairy. I can’t believe that you are really reborn as a fairy by your own effort. Especially when the world is at its current state.」

Before, they were existing as this:

「……In other words, the existences of you two are like a hodgepodge of such positive conception?」

「Master, wording.」

「Say it in a cooler way! Mister Aby, please show an example.」

「Eh!? ……You two are an aggregation (cluster) of positive subconscious, something like that?」

「「As expected from the one who has peeked into the abyss of chuuni!」」

「Shaddup! Continue with the explanation already!」

Kouki smiled wryly while calming down Kousuke. Fairy Etemp puffed out her chest while he was doing that and she showed a smug face.

「We who ended up becoming an aggregation of positive subconscious wandered in Tortus for a while after that. And then after Kaori-sama returned to her original body, we dwelled inside the body of Neunte who had returned to being a soulless doll again.」

「The reason we did that is unclear but, most likely that was the result of us seeking master subconsciously, and master yourself had fought that body personally and perceived that physical body as a comrade, so that might be the cause we entered that body.」

「Why did you two go to me?」

「Master, this positive conception also included a lot of feeling of deep gratitude for ending the insane game of the god you know?」

「It’s only natural that we wish to stay beside master. The conception that form our fundamentals is also fully made up of that.」

「……I see.」

this is just to help prove that AE can regenerate using elemen of thought as long their concept remain.

 

[Shiraito983]

Agree

 

[AdamVhenJP]

I agree

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

How many normal votes does it need to be accepted?

Do you know some staff that could give their opinion on this?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Bump

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Immortality:
type 4:
Reincarnation: It exist in the verse.

And? Like, ok, reincarnation exist in verse, but literally not even a single character can make use of it in any way, the only characters that got to ever remember their past lives were Oscar and Miledi due to their love, and because the author straight up said that he just wanted to give them an happy end like all the readers were also asking. It's not a power the characters possess that they can use, and trying to index it as such it's just stupid.

Resurrection:
Limited for characters with Bel Agarta (check below)

Literally every single character with a phone linked to Bel Agarta already have listed resurrection.

For demons(soul) because they can use a human body to be reborn

they lost their body and keep existing as a soul, but they can regain it.

There is no profile for any demon (from Hell), and they are just incorporeal beings that just happen to have the ability to possess things, but they don't need to possess anything at all to live, they aren't immortal because of it, just use the possession for convenience sake, so unless every character with possession also get immo type 6 I don't see the reason of why demons (from Hell) should get that listed.

their temporary body is made from it.

physical attacks are useless

They are intangible beings (which is already said in the profiles as justification for the NPI), of course physical attacks are useless, and that is irrelevant for immortality so I don't know why you mention it.

For apparition because they will just resurrect after their body and soul are destroyed and comback as long the concept isn't destroyed.

The only apparition wcurrently indexed (as part of another profile) is Yaya no Hidzuki and she already have mentioned this along with type 8.

type 6: souls, demons and apparitions can posses people, machines and objects.

Souls aren't going to get type 6 immo because reincarnation exist, that's just dumb, not even ghost should get it. Demons (from Hell, important distinction) also shouldn't get it because their possession is only one of the abilities they have and that can or not choose to use in specific situations for X circunstances (like work for Hajime as his followers, which they do by possessing his Grim Reapers). And apparitions it's just the same thing, just an ability that they possess and can use sometimes depending of the situation, they aren't immortal because of it.

type 7: demons and apparitions can exist without a body.

They are incorporeals beings to begin with, of course they exist without a normal physical vessel, that's their actual default state after all, and except for cases like undead type apparitions (like jiangshi) they aren't really dead to classify for this type (like Yaya no Hidzuki who is an oni).

type 8:
For apparition because they rely on The Heaven Tree's energy(element of thought) and conception:

The only apparition indexed already have immo type 8.

Regeneration:

High: For characters with Bel Agarta.

There is no regeneration with Bel Agarta because it's a beam that reverse time to restore the target to its previous state when activated, and it's automatically activated when the target dies (hence the listed resurrection), otherwise is manually used, so it doesn't classify as regeneration and it wouldn't even be High in that case (because, again, it's just time rewinding).

Mid-Godly:

Apparitions: they will keep existing as long the concept remain.

No, apparitions don't have mid-godly regen, they can perfectly die (and have died) for far lesser damage, heck I even doubt most apparitions even have regeneration based on the showings of most apparitions. They can indeed revive as long their conception exist, yes, but that is completely different from regeneration and it's instead more like resurrection or immortality type 8 (the way it's already listed).

Immortality and Regeneration negation:

Can someone explain how negation works?

Bel Agarta:

Bel Agarta: A satellite artifact that is deployed outside the atmosphere, that can regenerate the target and revive the dead by shooting down a stream of light imbued with Restoration Magic. Even if the target is underground or indoor, by using the spider type golem Arachne’s in-built gate to send in the light through it, the regeneration light could still reach with pinpoint accuracy.

(there is a time limit)

Why are you quoting the description of Bel Agarta from Hajime profile? Why are you mentioning immortality and regeneration negation? It's because of it having a time limit? Because you (factually speaking) already know that that it's just because the more time passess more energy it's needed to rewind time/restore things to their previous states.

How does immortality and regeneration negation works?
If someone destroy a character and seal his source of immortality and regeneration to prevent him from being revived, does it count?

Character Y use X power against Z character and they can't regenerate anymore/their immortality no longer work.

Absolutely no.

Destroying the soul will prevent a character from reincarnating therefore it's a negation of immortality type 4.

No, it's just the natural consequence of the thing getting reincarnated being destroyed before having the chance to reincarnate. The characters don't have an special ability to negate reincarnation.

Thanks, the character use his authority over element of thought (it's like energy of imagination) to prevent ideas(characters, powers) from materializing.

Is this Subjective reality nullification?

No, Auralodde just nerfed and sealed them, she didn't nullified some subjetive reality power, neither did she negate their immo type 8, nor killed them permanently or give some permanent damage (which couldn't count for the negation stuff).

Auralodde also doesn't even have a profile.

Maybe a mix of that, by the way conception(collective consciousness) is Concept type 2 and Apparitions can use info type 1 to prevent people from knowing their name.

Irrelevant to the discussion of types of immortalities or regenerations that are the purpose of the thread, this is just complete derailment.

This is an AE regenerate after losing her body.

they reform their body using element of thought.


Before, they were existing as this:

this is just to help prove that AE can regenerate using elemen of thought as long their concept remain.

No, this just prove that apparitions exist as long as their conception exist, which is already said in the profiles as part of the immo type 8 justification, this is no regeneration feat.

How many normal votes does it need to be accepted?

Do you know some staff that could give their opinion on this?

You already know the answer to this as I already explained this to you just a bit over a week ago.

Ask nicely to Pegasus or Elizha, or some of the staff that have participated in other Arifureta threads for example.





I genuinely speaking think 80% or so of this thread isn't needed.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Literally every single character with a phone linked to Bel Agarta already have listed resurrection.

Sorry, I thought resurrection is for charcters who can use it on others while immortality type4 is for someone who can use it on himself.

type 4

4: Immortality via reincarnation or resurrection: Characters that are immortal because, whenever they die, they will simply reincarnate within another body or resurrect themselves at a later point in time.

There is no profile for any demon (from Hell), and they are just incorporeal beings that just happen to have the ability to possess things, but they don't need to possess anything at all to live, they aren't immortal because of it, just use the possession for convenience sake, so unless every character with possession also get immo type 6 I don't see the reason of why demons (from Hell) should get that listed.

Wasn't Unknown gonna use Claudia's body to be reborn, even the higher demons said the same thing about Shia.

They are intangible beings (which is already said in the profiles as justification for the NPI), of course physical attacks are useless, and that is irrelevant for immortality so I don't know why you mention it.

I was gonna propose regen negation for mana, Yuji (JJK) has it for the same feat.

Souls aren't going to get type 6 immo because reincarnation exist, that's just dumb, not even ghost should get it. Demons (from Hell, important distinction) also shouldn't get it because their possession is only one of the abilities they have and that can or not choose to use in specific situations for X circunstances (like work for Hajime as his followers, which they do by possessing his Grim Reapers). And apparitions it's just the same thing, just an ability that they possess and can use sometimes depending of the situation, they aren't immortal because of it.

Type 6 is not reincarnation , it's the ability to jump bodies .

They are incorporeals beings to begin with, of course they exist without a normal physical vessel, that's their actual default state after all, and except for cases like undead type apparitions (like jiangshi) they aren't really dead to classify for this type (like Yaya no Hidzuki who is an oni).

Type 7 is for keep existing as a soul. something the demons figure out how to do while living in Hell.

type 7

7: Undead: Characters who cannot die due to technically being already dead, often overlapping with other forms of immortality. This includes characters who can keep existing as spiritual entities upon dying.

They lost their body, does it count?

There is no regeneration with Bel Agarta because it's a beam that reverse time to restore the target to its previous state when activated, and it's automatically activated when the target dies (hence the listed resurrection), otherwise is manually used, so it doesn't classify as regeneration and it wouldn't even be High in that case (because, again, it's just time rewinding).

I wasn't sure about what tier to give it, but Hajime was able to heal his body and soul(limit break) after fighting Mother.

I mean he could use it manually.

Why are you quoting the description of Bel Agarta from Hajime profile? Why are you mentioning immortality and regeneration negation? It's because of it having a time limit? Because you (factually speaking) already know that that it's just because the more time passess more energy it's needed to rewind time/restore things to their previous states.

I thought the soul disappear if they don't act quickly, but yeah Yue was Able to bring spirit to a graveyard in her Diary .

I genuinely speaking think 80% or so of this thread isn't needed.

Damn, what do you agree on?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

You already know the answer to this as I already explained this to you just a bit over a week ago.

Ask nicely to Pegasus or Elizha, or some of the staff that have participated in other Arifureta threads for example.

Sorry

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Wasn't Unknown gonna use Claudia's body to be reborn, even the higher demons said the same thing about Shia.

He wanted a strong physical body to act like normal in Earth, ok, and your point is? That isn't immortality type 6, that's just possession.

Unless it's the default for all characters that have possession in the wiki to also have type 6 immo then I'm against them getting that, because they only possess for particular motives and don't need to use it at all to be immortal or exist.

I was gonna propose regen negation for mana, Yuji (JJK) has it for the same feat.

JJK is a verse in a state that change a lot in all different directions (be it in a upgraded or downgraded sense), so to use it as an example to follow isn't really the best thing you could use.

I will not try to blame you for this part much as I though of something similar long ago when I was beginning, however I don't really think it counts as regen negation based on the fact that people with regeneration can regenerate like normal even if attacked with mana. Maybe you could get it listed as a some really specific negation that only works with some intangible beings, but I believe it's more just the fact that with mana they can actually hit and damage their true bodies (their intangible selfs) and thus kill them.

Type 6 is not reincarnation , it's the ability to jump bodies .

Type 6 is the ability to be immortal because a character can change of bodies when necessary:

6: Parasitic: The character is able to attain a sort of immortality by abandoning bodies whenever necessary to transfer their consciousness to another body, whether they are possessing someone else or switching to a backup body.

Souls aren't jumping bodies, they get reincarnated, and they don't even retain their consciousness unless some really special circunstances, with the only case we know of this happening being the Oscar and Miledi one which the author said was to give their story a conclusion (and happy ending, which they needed).

Type 7 is for keep existing as a soul. something the demons figure out how to do while living in Hell.

Undead: Characters who cannot die due to technically being already dead, often overlapping with other forms of immortality. This includes characters who can keep existing as spiritual entities upon dying.

They can die, and aren't technically already dead, if they were ghost this would apply to them, but they aren't, they are specifically just incorporeal beings, and we are told that they even attained this incorporeal nature as a way to evolve and survive in the environment of Hell, not because they died and became ghost or anything like that.

So in short, no, they aren't undead and thus don't qualify for this type specifically made for undeads.

I wasn't sure about what tier to give it, but Hajime was able to heal his body and soul(limit break) after fighting Mother.

I mean he could use it manually.

And? It's just time reversal, time go backwards to how things were in a previous state.

I straight up wrote that it can be used manually, and as a note if it is manually done then is not regeneration, it would count in any case as healing (which, again, he already have, literally wrote besides the resurrection).

Damn, what do you agree on?

The things I didn't comment, though looking at the op again I also disagree with type 3 due to Bel Agarta as there is no regeneration done, it would be instead type 4.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

He wanted a strong physical body to act like normal in Earth, ok, and your point is? That isn't immortality type 6, that's just possession.

Unless it's the default for all characters that have possession in the wiki to also have type 6 immo then I'm against them getting that, because they only possess for particular motives and don't need to use it at all to be immortal or exist.

JJK is a verse in a state that change a lot in all different directions (be it in a upgraded or downgraded sense), so to use it as an example to follow isn't really the best thing you could use.

I will not try to blame you for this part much as I though of something similar long ago when I was beginning, however I don't really think it counts as regen negation based on the fact that people with regeneration can regenerate like normal even if attacked with mana. Maybe you could get it listed as a some really specific negation that only works with some intangible beings, but I believe it's more just the fact that with mana they can actually hit and damage their true bodies (their intangible selfs) and thus kill them.

Type 6 is the ability to be immortal because a character can change of bodies when necessary:

Souls aren't jumping bodies, they get reincarnated, and they don't even retain their consciousness unless some really special circunstances, with the only case we know of this happening being the Oscar and Miledi one which the author said was to give their story a conclusion (and happy ending, which they needed).


They can die, and aren't technically already dead, if they were ghost this would apply to them, but they aren't, they are specifically just incorporeal beings, and we are told that they even attained this incorporeal nature as a way to evolve and survive in the environment of Hell, not because they died and became ghost or anything like that.

So in short, no, they aren't undead and thus don't qualify for this type specifically made for undeads.

And? It's just time reversal, time go backwards to how things were in a previous state.

I straight up wrote that it can be used manually, and as a note if it is manually done then is not regeneration, it would count in any case as healing (which, again, he already have, literally wrote besides the resurrection).

The things I didn't comment, though looking at the op again I also disagree with type 3 due to Bel Agarta as there is no regeneration done, it would be instead type 4.

Agree, I based most of this on examples from Shonen verses.

So, only type 4 and 8 for relying on Bel Agarta.
Low-Godly regen for Apparitions, Demons and Elemental Spirits.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Bump

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Bump

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Think everything that hasn't been crossed out looks good.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Think everything that hasn't been crossed out looks good.

I'll appreciate if you ping another staff ?

 

[Elizhaa]

The proposals that have not been crossed out look fine.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I also disagree with type 3 due to Bel Agarta as there is no regeneration done

Are these scans acceptable for immortality type 3?

『Jean-. You are safe!?』

『Yes, your majesty. The others are also safe. As expected, I thought I was dead but, that crimson light――no, let’s put that aside for now. Rather than that, it’s improvised, but we prepared missile warhead filled with the spring water. I estimated that the water will have effect just by splashing it on Kuwaibel-sama’s body, am I mistaken!?』

Just what in the world happened……the wounds of Jean and others were obviously in the level that was beyond help, but they seemed to be alive. And not just that, they seemed to reach the spring that was still opened and created improvised missiles to transport the spring water. 245

and

『Roze-sama. This is gramps. We were also saved by this crimson light. Although, in my case, I received the exposure from a metallic spider that clung on me unnoticed.』

『From Jean, to Roze-sama. We too went through the same like Sabas-sama. A small spider had its back opened up, and then the ring that came out from there shot out this light. The moment we got hit, our wounds were gone. It seemed that we were receiving that person’s protection.』

It appeared the reason Sabas and Jean, and then the imperial guards were surviving was because of this.

――Regeneration magic exposure satellite Bel Agharta

Using the satellite type artifact that was deployed outside the atmosphere, the range where the crimson light could reach became place that would promise abnormal recovery using regeneration magic. Even in the case where the target was underground or indoor, by using spider type golem――Arachne’s in-built gate to send in the light through it, the regeneration light could still reach with pinpoint accuracy.

Hajime secretly scattered Arachne swarm inside mother ship Avenst. At present, it’s unknown where they are lurking, from transmutation, suicide bombing, disabling drug injection, until sending light of regeneration, all the little spider-san can do anything. Ia! Ia! Masteeer! (TN: The ‘ia ia’ part seem to be a reference to Cthulhu, not really clear about what though) ch 248

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Are these scans acceptable for immortality type 3?

If you are answering like that then you, fundamentally speaking, don't understand the reason why I was opposed to immortality type 3.

3: Immortality via regeneration: Characters with this type of immortality can simply regenerate from wounds that would normally be lethal, though its effectiveness depends on the degree of the regeneration.

There is no regeneration, people don't regenerate, they get healed through the restoration of the artifact, ergo, it doesn't qualify for type 3 because there is no regeneration. If you still want to argue that it would qualify for type 3, then do it, I honestly don't care about such a small detail to debate more about it, you just need to find a staff that approves it.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

After reading The ability page, I agree with healing.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Would this upgrade them into Mid-Godly ?

Soul=mind

It seemed they weren’t physically eaten because of the shadow body. But, there was no way they could feel relieved from that. There was no way Yamato no Orochi had just taken a meaningless action.

「Tsu, their soul is disappearing?」

Dread ran through their whole body. It couldn’t eat the flesh body. Then, it would eat human’s mind, their soul. Naturally what lied ahead from there was the death of mind. It was a straight course to become an invalid. ch 424

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Would this upgrade them into Mid-Godly ?

Soul=mind

Soul is not the mind, they are related but are also different, otherwise any dark element user would be able to manipulate souls and we know very clearly that that isn't the case.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Soul is not the mind, they are related but are also different, otherwise any dark element user would be able to manipulate souls and we know very clearly that that isn't the case.

This was may understanding of the difference between soul and ghosts.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

This was may understanding of the difference between soul and ghosts.

Dude, just stop, we aren't making the mind equal to ghosts spirits or the soul. Just apply what was accepted and be done.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Dude, just stop, we aren't making the mind equal to ghosts spirits or the soul.

It's a link to a post with possible evidence that shows mind≠soul.

Just apply what was accepted and be done.

Just to avoid messing up, I'll leave it to you.