Are you the Flood? (Part 3)

[KarmodF]

Anime guy vs Game guy.

Both 9-A keys/equipment.

Speed equalized.

Everything else: Standard Battle Assumptions.

Master Chief: 3 (Monarch Laciel, Bigrupert and VersusJunkie54)

Ken Kaneki:

NOTE: I am not an expert on Tokyo Ghoul, so when giving a reasoning please give a better reasoning than Chief via Luck or similars.

 

[KarmodF]

''Bump''

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

So of all the abilities MC has on his profile, which ones can he use at 9-A?

 

[KarmodF]

Quite literally every single one.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

None of them come from weaponry above the 9-A mark?

 

[KarmodF]

Nope, he actually doesn't have listed various powers from equipment and other 8-C and higher weaponry, so what you see is what he can use, perhaps excepting Damage Reflection? Because it comes from Low 7-C Shields, but not weaponry per-se.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Well then

Master Chief via wall of text.

 

[KarmodF]

I think it would be better to add more reasoning, I barely know anything about Tokyo Ghoul, let alone how Chief counters Kaneki and how Kaneki can fight back.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

>Invisibility

>Homing Attacks

>Invulnerability

>Forcefields

>Flight

>Range advantage

>Higher skill

Those are the specific ones I'm thinking of

 

[KarmodF]

So... do you want an explanation or you want to use them for your vote?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Vote.

I'm voting Master Chief via those things.

 

[Bigrupert]

Master Chief FRA

 

[Cronut]

Do you think that we should equalize speed? Kaneki has subsonic speed (probably low end subsonic because I don't see a calc about it) while MC has supersonic combat speed. Chief would blitz.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Oh yeah

I generally assume speed is equal anyway, but yeah. If it isn't equal here, it's a blitz

 

[KarmodF]

I tough SBA automatically equalizes speed.

 

[Cronut]

SBA doesn't say anything about speed :/

Anyways, voting for Chief too. He has a lot of ways to deal with Kaneki even with his restricted arsenal.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Chief fra

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Actually

Is there a calc for Chief's weaponry?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Actually
Is there a calc for Chief's weaponry?

The 9-A weapons scale from his shields, witch are like 450 Megajoules iirc.

 

[Cronut]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DarkDragonMedeus/Calcs_for_Halo_Heavy_Weaponry

Here

 

[VersusJunkie54]

So how far into 9-A is Kaneki?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

How far into 9-A is that?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

22.5 x baseline

 

[KarmodF]

I think Kaneki is one of the highest 9-A in terms of AP.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I think Kaneki is one of the highest 9-A in terms of AP.

He doesn't even have a + so I doubt that

 

[Cronut]

Chief's Fuel Rod Cannon's energy output is about 249 kg of TNT, just 1 kg away from baseline 8-C

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I think Kaneki is one of the highest 9-A in terms of AP.

He doesn't even have a + so I doubt that

That's only because the calc I did hasn't been checked out yet.

He scales higher than someone who was almost into 8-C

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Chief's Fuel Rod Cannon's energy output is about 249 kg of TNT, just 1 kg away from baseline 8-C

Are all his weapons of a similar potency to the Fuel Rod Cannon?

 

[KarmodF]

Only some 9-C with Penetration (wich in any case can damage 9-A), his 9-A weapons mostly are those with very big AoE.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Chief's Fuel Rod Cannon's energy output is about 249 kg of TNT, just 1 kg away from baseline 8-C

Are all his weapons of a similar potency to the Fuel Rod Cannon?

The Needler is comparable to the Fuel Rod Cannon. The other 9-A weapons are 450 megajoules scaling from John's shields I beleive. His 8-C weapons are in the + range, and would one shot Kaneki horribly if he had them.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Good thing he doesn't have 8-C weapons then.

So he's about as strong as Kaneki with two of his weapons, and approximately 22.5 times weaker than Kaneki with all his other stuff.

His forcefields can tank Tier 7 stuff, but only projectile tier 7 stuff I believe? Couldn't Kaneki just walk through the bubble field?

MC also has the range advantage which helps him a lot with the starting distance, so he'd probably realise pretty quickly that everything except his most powerful weapons are bouncing off Kaneki.

Ok, still going for MC, but I'm not going to argue it's a stomp anymore.

 

[Cronut]

snip

Yup, the 450 megajoules comes from Guilty Spark vaping a Kig Yar and John tanking them with his shields.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

So he's about as strong as Kaneki with two of his weapons, and approximately 22.5 times weaker than Kaneki with all his other stuff.

Where did you get this from? Master Chief is 312 megajoules physically

 

[KarmodF]

snip

The Bubble shield is Small City level+ while the Hardlight shield is Small Town level and Deflects from physical and energy Projectiles.

Chief is around 400+ MJ physically since he beats enemies at his own level and even grater.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Is there a calc for Chief's weaponry?

How far into 9-A is that?

22.5 x baseline

9-A has a diference of 50x between low and highest ends.

Kaneki is superior to someone almost into 8-C.

Masterchief is 22.5x baseline, i.e. 27.5 or so times less than the top end of 9-A

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Baseline 8-C is 0.25 tons.

0.25 tons = 1046 Megajoules.

Chief is 312 Megajoules.

3.35x Difference.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Maths never was my strong point.

Ok, kinda back to thinking it's a stomp then.

 

[KarmodF]

In favor of?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Master Chief

He starts hundreds of metres away, and can use his weapons to hit Kaneki from that range. He has homing weapons to make it difficult for Kaneki to dodge, he has invisibility to sneak in attacks, his close combat skill is probably better (though Kagune might help), he has invulnerability to help tank Kaneki's attacks and he has flight to just fly up and rain down attacks on Kaneki.

 

[KarmodF]

I don't know, almost x4 AP sounds like a stomp for Kaneki.