Arceus vs Mewtwo

[Mickey1940]

GAME INCARNATIONS, meaning stats and stuff

Arceus has no plates, and Mewtwo has no Mega Stones

Mewtwo has access to all moves learned by leveling up (more than 4 moves)

Arceus has access to all moves learned by leveling up (more than 4 moves)

No stat-boosting natures (for simplicity)

1st Fight: EX Arceus vs EX Mewtwo (Pokemon Card Game)

2nd Fight: lv100 Arceus vs lv.100 Mewtwo (Pokemon Ultra Sun/Moon)

 

[Benandi]

Arceus has no plates? Mewtwo wins, easily. Unless Arceus has a Choice Band and Extreme Speed, which I don't think you took into account here.

 

[Mickey1940]

wait what how does Mewtwo stomp

 

[Theglassman12]

He doesn't. This is a stomp for Arceus.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Um....plateless Arceus is still 2-B, you know that right?

Godstomp. Close this.

 

[Mickey1940]

ProfessorKukui4Life

I'm only basing this fight with stats, meaning no lore. Only stats and stuff, like an actual game pokemon battle.

 

[Ovrhide]

Guys, this is fun and games using base stats and moves from games, as in game mechanics wise. Tiers are irrelavent.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Mewtwo.

Maybe ex arceus have a decent chance depending on number roll for damage.

 

[Kaltias]

It was a vs thread three comments ago. I moved it.

 

[Ovrhide]

Would mewtwo survive an "extreme killer arceus" (+ attack nature, sword dance, extreme speed)?

 

[Mickey1940]

Arceus can't use Swords Dance cause it's not a lv up move for Arceus

 

[Mickey1940]

Besides, Mewtwo could use Me First and counter everything

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Would mewtwo survive an "extreme killer arceus" (+ attack nature, sword dance, extreme speed)?

Yeah.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ 3hko.

 

[Ovrhide]

The outcome varies alot with different natures and execution. So either can win

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Extrearceus and uber. The ordinary one most often used within battle man.

 

[Ovrhide]

We cant use extreme killed arceus only, as the rules are that they can use all moves, so any variation of arceus and mewtwo counts. So it can go either way.

Tho in this battle arceus has a restriction, while mewtwo doesnt.

 

[Mickey1940]

Fine no Mega Evolution

 

[Ovrhide]

Its fine the way it is. Even in game mechanics, arceus has somewhat of an advantage over every pokemon do to his multitype ability.

 

[Benandi]

Its fine the way it is. Even in game mechanics, arceus has somewhat of an advantage over every pokemon do to his multitype ability.

Except Mega Rayquaza. Nobody can beat Mega Rayquaza.

 

[Ovrhide]

Except Mega Rayquaza. Nobody can beat Mega Rayquaza.

Even mega rayquaza honestly with the correct moves and plates. Altho, ultra necrozma does beat a no-item mega rayquaza easily.

 

[Mickey1940]

This fight has no plates

 

[Ovrhide]

We know

 

[RRTheEndMan]

Espeed
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[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Espeed
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3ko. While mewtwo would do 59 percent one hit with aura sphere or focus blast man.

 

[RRTheEndMan]

228 SpA Mewtwo Aura Sphere vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 168-198 (38 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 8 HP / 80 Def Mewtwo: 135-160 (38 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (but with priority)
228 SpA Mewtwo Focus Blast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 250-296 (56.6 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (but chances of both hitting are 49%)

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

228?

Odd 252 nomrally used yeah?.

 

[RRTheEndMan]

odd that showdown! calculator thinks it differently?

 

[NeoZex6399]

252+ Atk Arceus Shadow Force vs. 8 HP / 80 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 328-386 (92.3 - 108.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Arceus Shadow Claw vs. 8 HP / 80 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 192-226 (54 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 8 HP / 80 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 163-193 (45.9 - 54.3%) -- 54.7% chance to 2HKO

228 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Focus Blast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Chople Berry Arceus: 150-177 (34 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

228 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Focus Blast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 300-354 (68 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Focus Blast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 304-358 (68.9 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[RRTheEndMan]

where did you get those numbers out?
252+ Atk Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 8 HP / 80 Def Mewtwo: 135-160 (38 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Arceus Shadow Claw vs. 8 HP / 80 Def Mewtwo: 158-188 (44.5 - 52.9%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Mewtwo faster excluding espeed. Espeedonly method of winning.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

odd that showdown! calculator thinks it differently?

Ah mega why. The extra ev used because of mega boosted atk but the calculator would use Mewtwo within base hence the lower damage calculation man.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Arceus god stomps due to ap and durbabilty advantage here.