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We have lots of other sources about this, arceus created the creation trio that created the universe, therefore he created everything, it is said in the game lore, pokedex, anime, manga and it goes on.
The pokedex is canon and used on the profiles so why would we ignore his when it is one of the clearest and less contradictory ones.
The pokedex is canon and used on the profiles so why would we ignore his when it is one of the clearest and less contradictory ones.
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Prove that its unreliable
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The Pokedex statements are canon so there is no reason to ignore them
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Again with this topic?
It’s been proven time and time again that the Pokédex is a reliable source, there’s absolutely no reason to be disregarding it.
At this point, we need a discussion rule for this
It’s been proven time and time again that the Pokédex is a reliable source, there’s absolutely no reason to be disregarding it.
At this point, we need a discussion rule for this
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I don’t know if you are aware @Seventy96, but arceus has an in game scene of him creating a universe casually in Heart Gold or Soul Silver. We don’t need the dex to know he is At least universal. He is At least because the creation trio (duo in this case) also have been shown creating a new universe, even in the anime (Anime they literally Barth one up), and arceus scales far above all 3 of them combined.
no dex required.
but, for a bit of info, Pokémon have been shown doing dex feats in other mediums outside of the game, like the manga for example.
no dex required.
but, for a bit of info, Pokémon have been shown doing dex feats in other mediums outside of the game, like the manga for example.
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in this case, we really don’t need the dex. Doesn’t his page already have links to explanations, and in-game feats? The HGSS event should be enough so that people stop questioning his universe level status At bare minimum.
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Arceus is stated over and over again to be the creator of everthing, including the Creation Trio
In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos.
At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One.
From itself, two beings the Original One did make.
Time started to spin. Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...
In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos.
At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One.
From itself, two beings the Original One did make.
Time started to spin. Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...
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This "Pokedex is unreliable" mentality needs to stop first of all. People tend to site only like a few select entries and try to make the entire dex of over 800+ entries unreliable. It's ridiculous.
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Which ones? I can't think of any that are unreliable unless specifically worded in such a way that indicates only a possibility "Like "some say ____" type entries).
Unless you're talking about the whole Marcargo thing that everyone seems to talk about when saying that they're fake, without realizing that Marcargo's mass and size is so tiny that even with the heat you could stand around it within like a few dozen feet and be completely fine. It being hotter then the sun means **** all when it's only like 3ft and weighs like nothing.
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Most people hear "hotter then the sun" and think "Oh, then the world should be on fire then".
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This is why I suggested we make a discussion rule about this (even though we shouldn't have to).
The Pokedex topic comes up much too often with the same shit again and again trying to discredit it. Having a rule will help keep that under lock and key.
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I think you guys are missing another point besides the dex. The OP said that why believe he created the universe just cause the dex said it? The problem isn’t only that the OP is saying that the dex isn’t reliable, the other problem is literally ignoring outside-dex statements and feats. We’ve seen the creation trio (duo) create a universe in the anime, we saw arceus create a universe in an in-game event.
i think the pages need to mention that in their AP section if they are not already there. Some links to screen-shots as well would help.
i think the pages need to mention that in their AP section if they are not already there. Some links to screen-shots as well would help.
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Arceus, as well as all of the creation trio that he created, have all shown many times that they can create universes and have many universal statements.
Also like many people said, the Pokédex is 100% reliable. Claming things as "nonsensical" without providing proof to why isn't really a proof to anything.
Not that you even need a Pokédex to clearly see that Arceus and the Creation trio are universal
Also like many people said, the Pokédex is 100% reliable. Claming things as "nonsensical" without providing proof to why isn't really a proof to anything.
Not that you even need a Pokédex to clearly see that Arceus and the Creation trio are universal
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I liked the time Dialga and Palkia literally vomitted up a universe in the anime.
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And then blew it up outta spite.
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Cyrus totally deserves that to be honest
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Wtf since when this happened? Can you me a video pls ? Or in which movie this happened?
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I'll try and find the full scene but here's the aftermath where they off Cyrus and the universe he forced them to make.
Edit: Well here's the episode article at least. I'll keep looking.
Edit 2: it's coming. I had to download the raw.
Edit: Well here's the episode article at least. I'll keep looking.
Edit 2: it's coming. I had to download the raw.
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This happened in Season 12 Episode 47 iirc, this is the episode in the Spear Pillar
Dialga used Roar of Time and Palkia used Spatial Rend to form the new universe. Roar of time comes from the mouth, so maybe this is why they said vomiting
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Ok I got the raw.
I obviously can't upload it in full but I'll upload some clips.
I obviously can't upload it in full but I'll upload some clips.
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While I'm at it, here's the summoning.
I cut out some parts though to keep it under 1m as Imgur's rules.
I cut out some parts though to keep it under 1m as Imgur's rules.
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Nice! Though I'm just asking where did you found the japanese dub. I've been looking for Diamond and Pearl in Japanese for a long time now
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Best click those links now before I get in shit for linking to some animeass pirating sites.
Though you could just bookmark it and look up the rest yourself. It'd be easy to find whatever you need, make sure you sort by seeds.
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This may be off-topic but considering the effects of the Red Chain and how it takes the exact shape of Arceus' ring, I think Arceus should or can have the same powers as the Red Chain, including forcing non-corporeal/conceptual beings into a physical form.
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Eh, to vague honestly. It looks the same but that's literally it. Not to mention it took the 3 lake guardians to create it, they can't even do it normally from what we know.
Arceus can probably do something like that, but that's it, it's just guesswork, we don't know for sure.
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Actually small correction here but they didn’t use their signature moves to do that feat.
They just used green colored beams from the mouth.
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Really? Well, it was a long time since I watched that episode
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Yeah the beam was generic for the universe, but they used their signature moves to desteoy it snd cause the singularity
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Arceus shaping everything that exists is something that is repeated many times, it is also written on the official website of the new Arceus game.
Pokémon Legends: Arceus | Official Website | Pokémon
Survey, catch, and research wild Pokémon in a long-gone era of the Sinnoh region to complete the region’s first Pokédex.
legends.pokemon.com
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Not to mention the PIS ridden Movie we all know and love, with Arceus being said to have given birth to everything in Pokemon.
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