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Anos is Back, and so are Maou Gakuin Downgrades
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Which is contradicted by the many more statements of them merely being an embodiment, so :v
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As those of the world being destroyed if they are destroyed?
Order Destroyed = World destroyed
God destroyed = world destroyed
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Or is just explain what the meaning of "embodiment" in this verse
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And there's a difference between embodying a concept and being the literal embodiment of a concept. God's are the concept themselves they literally say with their own mouth that they are the order of the world not that they contain order
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Why does any of this matter? Anos isn't a God, get back on track. Come july, pt 2 will shut him up
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Why contradiction? I assume you are taking vsbw definition as a single definition. You can embody and still be the same as what you embody.
The one who is doing complication is you.
How is it even a contradiction if Jerga literally became concept after becoming order?
What?
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It matters because Sources are considered type 1 on the profile apparently for being above the type 1 gods
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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That means nothing at all. We index feats of characters sustaining dimensions through their existence; Does that mean those characters literally are those dimensions? No, they're not, so stop acting like MG is some special exemption from the rules.
Except to embody something is literally giving a body to it; So to be an embodiment of order would be something that has a physical form that represents order, otherwise it'd be order giving a body to order in the form of order, which makes 0 ******* sense.
There isn't. You just posted the same words slightly differently, which didn't actually change the meaning of what you said.
Jerga's thing is unique; He literally became order, not an embodiment of it. But the thing is, you've given no reason as to why anyone else scales to that.
lol
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That is literally not on the profile anywhere
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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So then why are sources type 1, exactly?
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Except it literally stated god are order
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That isn't particularly important. So long as the information is accurate, the stance of the user matters very little
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Which... is contradicted by them being stated to be an embodiment of order far more often.
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Mf, did you just ignore all my replies?
The source governs everything in it's area of influence, what it governs is dependent on it and it is independent of what it governs
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What a cheap example you have just given, are these characters said to be the embodiment of the dimensions or the dimensions themselves? No, too bad. Clearly it is said that they embody order and are order itself, if order is destroyed then the world is destroyed, the god is order itself therefore they cannot be destroyed because the world will also be destroyed with order.
If they were just an embody of the order then nothing would happen to the order or the world if the god were destroyed, the order would remain intact. But it is clearly contradicted in that apart from saying that they are the order, destroying the god would be equal to the destruction of the world because they themselves are the order, you contradict yourself.
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Yeah the word embodiment mean is literally are the order it self in this verse. The author write they in the same context even in the same stanza
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And it only governs an individual, which is type 3.
We had a whole ass thread on this topic, and your reasoning was rejected by 5 staff members. This isn't a debate. Either make a new thread or stop derailing.
That's a headcanon with nothing substantiating it. In fact, where's the evidence that that passage means "embodiment = literal existential state of" and not the other way around? Going by your logic, both should be equally valid.
None of this proves type 1 AE though... Just that gods sustain order through their existence, which you can do without being abstract.
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And where is the proof that they only substantiate the order with their existence? You will have to disprove what they say that they are the order with "They only substantiate the order with their existence."
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Wasn't your entire argument for AE1 based on how if gods die, order collapses? Maou Gakuin supporters stop shooting themselves in the foot challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
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Wdym unique? It is nowhere a coincidence that even devine beings (which he got declared as one after being concept) are all orders.
Eh??
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WTF? stop giving grief, your argument is that gods only embody order and therefore cannot be AE 1 and my argument is that gods embody order and are order, their existence is order which you say is not proof.
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Governing an individual =/= governing a specific thing. An individual is the concepts sphere of influence. And it governs everything in that sphere which is what matters. You're strawmanning my argument at this point as DT has already said governing only an individual is not automatically type 3.
A whole ass thread that was made on an incorrect premise and staff who didn't know anything about the topic.
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Well, if Jerga turning himself into order is a thing everyone can do, then can you post the evidence of that? Because there's only one scan of that happening, and only Jerga does it, so it has no reason to apply to anyone but him.
So why did you spend multiple posts arguing over how gods can't embody order since, if they die, order collapses? Please for the love of god make up your mind.
The source has only ever been shown to govern a person's individual concept of existence. That is type 3, it has been overwhelmingly accepted as type 3, stop derailing.
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No my friend, you said that the gods only embody order and that they are not order, which I am giving proof that apart from "embodying" order, they are order and their existence is order, if they only embodied it, then destroying the god would not be equivalent to the destruction of the world and order. What does this lead to? To that the order already we know that they are only laws and concepts aka an abstraction, and the god is order, embodies the abstraction and are the abstraction.
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Fuji still thinks that embodiment only has one definition and that's vsbw definition.
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Which, again, something being destroyed upon your death does not mean you are literally that thing. If a character dies, and a planet blows up as a consequence, does that mean the character is the planet? God, just think about this for a moment.
It's on you to prove that embodiment means something different here, which you have not done.
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Anyways, this whole debate is pointless anyways because, since sources were downgraded to type 3 prior to deletion, you would have needed to make a whole CRT for getting type 1 accepted instead of just slapping it on the profiles and hoping nobody would notice. Either make that CRT, or just revert the ratings, but for the love of god don't clog up this thread with pages of meaningless bullshit.
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Doesn't mean they were the embodiment of the planet either. They could just be a power source aka in a symbiotic relationship. God's are Order and once again, none of this matters
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But they are that thing.... They are said to embody that thing, they are that thing and their existence is that thing, then????
We have many cases of gods like this later and very common where they are said to be the world itself like Eques, but that part is not translated so yes, the gods are the worlds.
I couldn't care less about CM 3 and info type 2 seems to have cleared up and can be sent to the bottom of hell, but the AE is clear and there's you with your stonewall twisting my words.
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No CRT is needed when your CRT is wrong for one, your CRT has nothing to do with the LN profile
Rakih_Elyan
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You just unleashed hell upon Earth.
ARE YOU PROUD OF THAT?
ARE YOU PROUD OF THAT?
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Yeah okay this is 100% a RVR report lmao
You can't just... ignore accepted downgrades because you think it's wrong. Openly admitting you added CM1 while fully knowing that it was rejected is extremely dishonest.
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What the **** is happening here?
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Or you just ignore all of other supporter give and say nothing substantiating it. Bruh dereck and oblivion already explain about that
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Open admission to ignoring accepted threads, apparently :v
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Technically it's an entirely different verse and Anos so yea it is up to a downgrade thread to change it.
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Yeah i just remember in that CRT some people say universal concept is must affect actual reality, not understand reality in here is just the thing that being govern
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Oh I better get the popcorn for this
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