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An upgrade for The Presence

Ultima_Reality said:
Are the Light and the Darkness all that the God from Swamp Thing #75 is confirmed to transcend? Looking through the OP, that looks to be the case, but I'll ask for confirmation first.
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Yeah. And on the other hand, we do this by ignoring everything else for Crisis Cosmology. While the origin of creation and the identity of the Creator are not obvious, they are not fixed either. Especially when we look at the current situation, we cannot talk about this at all.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
Are the Light and the Darkness all that the God from Swamp Thing #75 is confirmed to transcend? Looking through the OP, that looks to be the case, but I'll ask for confirmation first.
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It also says beyond opposites which fixates and predicates on the notion, it’s beyond all opposites.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
Yeah, I'm interested in the inference that "Obstacles" refers to pairs of opposites in this scene. From what I gather, nothing seems to suggest that.
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Int he whole thing, Swam's references the board concept of duality as he's works through all level of Creation. The bare minimum, he mentioned was Light, Dark, Good, Evil, Life, and Death.
 
Also. Come to think of it, The Voice being an aspect of God is clear in DeMatteis' stories, but what about the main cosmology? The Voice has been stated several times to be the true God and there has been no mention of him being an aspect of God outside of DeMatteis' works, unless I am mistaken. Given this, I think the name "The Creator" should be changed to "The Voice" instead.

This could be the justification for his attack potency:

The Voice is the word without beginning or end by which the Light of Creation was brought to shine through the Great Darkness when he described all things into existence. Stands completely beyond obstacles and the war between Light and Darkness, silently observing Creation to a point where time is no time and space is no space, being one with the void and exhaling his quintessence of perfection. God has many forms or appearances according to different belief systems, but all agree on one timeless, boundless, unchanging god beyond gods of whom all gods and deities are his aspects.
 
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Elizio33 said:
Also. Come to think of it, The Voice being an aspect of God is clear in DeMatteis' stories, but what about the main cosmology? The Voice has been stated several times to be the true God and there has been no mention of him being an aspect of God outside of DeMatteis' works, unless I am mistaken. Given this, I think the name "The Creator" should be changed to "The Voice" instead.
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No? DeMatteis's conception aligns with DC's main Cosmology because Trinity of Sins and Phantom Strangers storyline aren't unique since he didn't even create the “Voice” as a character which was well established in previous comics. So adding that the Voice is just an aspect of God, is well within the we know the Voice to be, an aspect of God. Plus, the Swamp Thing storyline introduced the “Word” despite some sources claiming that the Word is God as well and this idea goes with things like the Source, the Void, and many other being interchangeable with God yet all being some sort of lesser version of the Presence. I highly doubt the Voice from Heaven which is within Creation would supposedly be the full entity that resides outside all of Existence.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
No? DeMatteis's conception aligns with DC's main Cosmology because Trinity of Sins and Phantom Strangers storyline aren't unique since he didn't even create the “Voice” as a character which was well established in previous comics. So adding that the Voice is just an aspect of God, is well within the we know the Voice to be, an aspect of God. Plus, the Swamp Thing storyline introduced the “Word” despite some sources claiming that the Word is God as well and this idea goes with things like the Source, the Void, and many other being interchangeable with God yet all being some sort of lesser version of the Presence. I highly doubt the Voice from Heaven which is within Creation would supposedly be the full entity that resides outside all of Existence.
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Btw if this CRT gets accepted fully, do the characters in the cosmology get haxes or resistances to high 1A or Tier 0?
 
DOOMSLAYER127 said:
So where would they scale according to you?
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The Presence would be immune to any form of hxes including casuality, fate, and time manipulation since 0 usually have those as their basis being eternal, immutable, timeless, and basic.

However, it's most likely going to be the only changed under Crisis Cosmology since there rest would have a lesser form of resistance being just Outerversal. This may extend to some characters like the Presence aspects and his many avatars. Though, that really depends on the comics stating as such since the Presence could literally just not give his creations any sort of special resistance and would primarily come from just being Outerversal and above.
 
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I think 0 is obvious and also I would think the “beyond opposites” isn’t only limited to Light and Darkness, whom are also consider: Good vs Evil, Order vs Chaos, Everything vs Nothing, etc…
 
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The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Not saying that The Presence isn't 0, but why wouldn't being 'beyond all opposites', aka the concept Duality, just be High 1-A ?
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Typically, a Cosmology based off “duality” usually covets all concepts and establishing some sort of framework for the whatever cosmological structure it covers. If all of Creation was in some sort of a dual system then all things would be in effect be a byproduct of it especially when you consider large ones like existence and non-existence. Hence being beyond duality meaning that even those big core concepts that completes and upholds the Cosmology would mean that the difference between duality and non-duality is substantial while also being more conceptual hence why non-duality more or less is 0.
 
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