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An upgrade for The Presence
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I think at this point most were in agreement with the thread.
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So, when are the changes?
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@Antvasima most agree with this thread, can the changes be applied?
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Regarding the new Tier 0 justifications, can you write the specific quotes from the Imgur album.
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Are the Light and the Darkness all that the God from Swamp Thing #75 is confirmed to transcend? Looking through the OP, that looks to be the case, but I'll ask for confirmation first.
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Yeah. And on the other hand, we do this by ignoring everything else for Crisis Cosmology. While the origin of creation and the identity of the Creator are not obvious, they are not fixed either. Especially when we look at the current situation, we cannot talk about this at all.
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It also says beyond opposites which fixates and predicates on the notion, it’s beyond all opposites.
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Phantom Stranger said that with GEB and the Hand of Heaven becoming one, the balances such as Right-Wrong, Black-White, Good-Evil were restored.
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Which panel are you referring to?
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When Swamp Thing was getting the notion one can be as pure as thought to go beyond all obstacles(opposites) and to be one with the symmetrical nature of God.
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I break through the barrier of my own blind ignorance... Into a warm sunshine of understanding. To roam free... As free as the purest thought... As pure as the symmetry of nature. Beyond all obstacles. To a point where time is no time... And space is no space... Where one may silently observe... As God breathes in and breathed out. Exhaling his quintessence of perfection.
God is beyond the war of Light and Darkness.
God is beyond the war of Light and Darkness.
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What particular comic is this from?
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Swamp Thing Vol 2 75
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Yeah, I'm interested in the inference that "Obstacles" refers to pairs of opposites in this scene. From what I gather, nothing seems to suggest that.
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Int he whole thing, Swam's references the board concept of duality as he's works through all level of Creation. The bare minimum, he mentioned was Light, Dark, Good, Evil, Life, and Death.
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I agree with everything.
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Also, omnipotence needs to be added on Presence's profile. Someone please do it.
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This would be added.
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Also. Come to think of it, The Voice being an aspect of God is clear in DeMatteis' stories, but what about the main cosmology? The Voice has been stated several times to be the true God and there has been no mention of him being an aspect of God outside of DeMatteis' works, unless I am mistaken. Given this, I think the name "The Creator" should be changed to "The Voice" instead.
This could be the justification for his attack potency:
The Voice is the word without beginning or end by which the Light of Creation was brought to shine through the Great Darkness when he described all things into existence. Stands completely beyond obstacles and the war between Light and Darkness, silently observing Creation to a point where time is no time and space is no space, being one with the void and exhaling his quintessence of perfection. God has many forms or appearances according to different belief systems, but all agree on one timeless, boundless, unchanging god beyond gods of whom all gods and deities are his aspects.
This could be the justification for his attack potency:
The Voice is the word without beginning or end by which the Light of Creation was brought to shine through the Great Darkness when he described all things into existence. Stands completely beyond obstacles and the war between Light and Darkness, silently observing Creation to a point where time is no time and space is no space, being one with the void and exhaling his quintessence of perfection. God has many forms or appearances according to different belief systems, but all agree on one timeless, boundless, unchanging god beyond gods of whom all gods and deities are his aspects.
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No? DeMatteis's conception aligns with DC's main Cosmology because Trinity of Sins and Phantom Strangers storyline aren't unique since he didn't even create the “Voice” as a character which was well established in previous comics. So adding that the Voice is just an aspect of God, is well within the we know the Voice to be, an aspect of God. Plus, the Swamp Thing storyline introduced the “Word” despite some sources claiming that the Word is God as well and this idea goes with things like the Source, the Void, and many other being interchangeable with God yet all being some sort of lesser version of the Presence. I highly doubt the Voice from Heaven which is within Creation would supposedly be the full entity that resides outside all of Existence.
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Btw if this CRT gets accepted fully, do the characters in the cosmology get haxes or resistances to high 1A or Tier 0?
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A lot of the profiles needs some revamp. So I would assume much of the higher tier need some sort of higher hax or resistance redo. Since the current profiles aren't doing them justice.
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So where would they scale according to you?
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The Presence would be immune to any form of Hades including casuality, fate, and time manipulation since 0 usually have those as their basis being eternal, immutable, timeless, and basic.
However, it's most likely going to be the only changed under Crisis Cosmology since there rest would have a lesser form of resistance being just Outerversal. This may extend to some characters like the Presence aspects and his many avatars. Though, that really depends on the comics stating as such since the Presence could literally just not give his creations any sort of special resistance and would primarily come from just being Outerversal and above.
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