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I mean we took the latter as outliers, unless you're suggesting 8-C Mark 46
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U.../Downgrading_MCU_Captain_America_by_upgrading Town level actually, that makes it worse
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ALL VIBRANIUM IS EQUAL (MCU)
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Oh damn
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I'm saying I think the reasoning for the 8-C ratings are either based on
- Upscaling from 9-A feats. Since literally every calc feat I see is 9-B or 9-A
- Based on a non-canon AoS feat
- Scaling to Iron Man
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If that works then okay that's fine
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Spidey's 8-C comes from Cap, so nah.
The problem is that we rate it as 8-B, so the only way you're gonna get that is by downgrading the mark 46 entirely
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I was talking about the justification for the Iron Spider Armor
The options are
- We scale Cap, and therefore half the franchise, to Iron Man's 8-B rating
- We drop all the scaling again meaning they're moved to 9-A
- We say the Mark 46 is 8-C for being at least as strong as the Mark I and III
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There’s no one else to scale to for cap to stay 8-c without tony?
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Iron Man is the only one with a 8-C justification besides Quicksilver, but according to databooks Quicksilver was getting exponentially faster as the movie went on so Cap wouldn't scale to his High 8-C feat.
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Scales spidey to his feat of pulling the ferry together?
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Idk about that, when looking at Peter and cap’s fight it looked like he used skill to get around peters strength
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Doesn't Cap overpower spidey at times? Cap can still harm him
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Like one time kinda with a twisting tech thing. I guess
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I'd probably go with 9-A, as Cap is more consistent with fighting with Tier 9 characters. And it feels really weird that Tony made the Mark 46 to be much weaker than a majority of his armors
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Same I can agree to 9-A
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After Ironman 3 and his ptsd tony was still kinda pressed to make more modular suits which as we saw in Ironman 3 sucked but I guess he figured it out with nanotechnology in infinity war
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We already derailed. I'll save this for another thread and lets get back to the vibranium stuff.
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Also I agree we 9-A cap
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I'm talking about strength and not functionality and gimmicks, but let's take this somewhere else, maybe the general thread
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Okay so only Ultron upgrade yes or no? And we're accepting Vibranium as being at most 6-C unless it's stated to have properties that are special aside from that of regular Vibranium such as T'Challa's special suit, sorcerers would be rated as unknown
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Since only his insides were damage from the heat and later on SW used a rage amp to damage him I personally think it can work.
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Okay and thanks for your input here should I wait for more staff or can this be applied
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If the thread generally agrees with my statement it should be fine,
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Okay I'll apply it when I can get to my computer but I can't atm
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I would recommend waiting on some more input first.
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Alrighty np
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Yes.
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How much more input would you suggest?
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idk like two more people agreeing with it or something along those lines.
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Cap's 8-C mainly comes from fighting on par with Black Panther, with the latter having tanked a blast from Klaue's hand-cannon, which is comparable to Wakandan Sonic spears which can one-shot American tanks, which is around baseline High 8-C level. But since T'Challa used a money podium to somewhat lessen the impact against it (Which really doesn't work that well for T'Challa), he backscales from it.
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This is a misconception. Totally destroying a tank and leaving nothing left is High 8-C. Just blasting through the armor is 9-A. Which is where the rest of their feats are at.
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I was talking about totally destroying a tank and leaving nothing left, I wasn't talking about just the armor. Klaue's Sonic cannon obliterates things in full, it's extremely likely that the Sonic Cannons would do the same.
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But there's no indication of that since its failed to fully fragment objects before. You can only safely rate it at 9-A, same with the spears.
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That's... a vibranium car tho. Vibranium gets unstable with powerful sonic attacks. Also the car got crumpled completely, which still accounts for something, I guess.
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Which was the point of the sonic cannon. To counter vibranium
The High 8-C rating comes from violent fragmentation of the tank. Which again, neither Claw or the spears have evidence of.
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Pretty sure the High 8-C value of the tank wasn't calculated properly.
That one was calculated using Tensile strength, which we don't use for v. frag (We use high-end shear strength or low-end compressive strength for v. frag), whereas normal frag uses shear strength, which is 0.75 * tensile strength for steels and 0.6 for other stuff since only steel, iron and aluminium have shear strength multipliers.
Since it's depleted uranium, 0.6, and depleted uranium is 1565-1881 MPa tensile strength, so that's 1727 MPa average UTS, 0.6 times that is 1036 MPa for shear strength or frag.
The mass is also wrong, The M1 Abrams is anywhere from 54-66.8 metric tons, averaging out at 60.8 tons, and while not all of it is armor, majority of it is according to this article, so prolly 75%.
54 metric tons times 0.75= 40.5 tons of armor (Google searches gave tank armor weight at around 32-45 tons so it prolly matches), density of depleted uranium is 18.5-18.6 g/cm^3 (18.55 g/cm^3 average), so that's a volume of 2183288.4097035 cm^3, 2183288.4097035 * 1036= 2,261,886,792.452826 J or 0.540604 tons of TNT, Building level. This is the low-end but the high-end is prolly not gonna go beyond 8-C methinks.
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Vibranium doesn’t warrant an upgrade on AP, just durability except for those characters who are shown to make vibranium undergo a physical change (destruction). Melting vibranium is a chemical change which is matter manipulation. Hope that clears some things up in case anybody didn’t already know that.
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Do you agree with the crt though?
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Yeah. I'm only suggesting a durability upgrade for Ultron and I guess the claws since they can cut into Vibranium.
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