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Glad to hear it and thanks much appreciated
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ALL VIBRANIUM IS EQUAL (MCU)
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Huh I thought we would like tag some at some point
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Idk the rules on tagging people that's why I usually don't
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Oh ok
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- Vision isn't solid Vibranium like Ultron. He's contructed from a weave of Vibranium and human cells.the shield and Panther Claws are pure Vibranium
- Thor, Vision, and Iron Man melting Ultron Prime is due to heat. No matter how strong the metal after being exposed to enough heat it's molecular bonds will break down.
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•true but wouldn’t ultron have in mind his “perfect” body being as strong as the toughest metal on earth?
• makes since but it seems like only his insides are being melted while his outer shell seems to be fine
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All Vibranium absorbs KE to some extent so it should still be somewhat applicable though his new suit does absorb more KE than normal Vibranium so that's fair
And that's fine for an ultron upgrade, for vision I'd say this is moreso for what if we see things going on later that could be used for his tiering since we haven't gotten to see his upper limits yet when it comes to his durability since he was taken by weapons that nullified his abilities and could damage Vibranium.
If it's Vibranium and hasn't been stated to have any other special properties (that are special for vibranium) that do something crazier that could somehow take away from the durability then this really is where this crt applied I'd say
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Yeah that's how I see it as well Ultron being melted is moreso a heat resistance feat and thus shouldn't be an anti-feat to his regular durability
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Alright here are my problems with the upgrade
Vision and Ultron can harm each other as shown here.
Not to mention both Visions are able to harm each other.
I think it's clear that every single piece of vibranium should not be one tier. It's better to use feats rather than shoving it all into one tier, creating a bad scaling chain.
Hulk and Thor can fight on par with each other. By the logic presented by the OP, Hulk should be able to one shot Thor in this fight, and Thor shouldn't be able to damage Hulk whatsoever.
Thor, Tony, and Vision are capable of causing some major damage to Ultron so their AP should scale to their durability (at least for Thor and Vision).
Vision and Ultron can harm each other as shown here.
Base Thanos shatters Vision's skull with no effort by simply flexing his fingers. Base Thanos then needs to put in a lot of effort, plus a sword, to break Captain America's shield. Explain how all vibranium is equally durable but Thanos shows two fastly different levels of effort to break vibranuim on separate occasions.
Not to mention both Visions are able to harm each other.
I think it's clear that every single piece of vibranium should not be one tier. It's better to use feats rather than shoving it all into one tier, creating a bad scaling chain.
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It's plenty strong as is. Ultron wanted Vision more to complete his strange identity crisis as well, rather than being the perfect combat form in of itself. What If Ultron has a body more suited for battle than Vision ever had.
The plates the Hulk damaged were noted as being Vibranium alloy material rather than the pure stuff. It's likely not as strong.
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Hulk doesn't scale tho?
Heat feat not a regular ap feat
Already been explained here
Okay? The original vibranium vision is equal to his created counterpart and as Qawsedf said he's made of a weave of Vibranium and human cells so we've already forfeited vision scaling at all due to being a compound
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True, I guess. I’m pretty sure he had that more for controlling and harnessing the power of the infinity stones(look at his chest). But ok I’ll go with this until I can find other statements that say other wise
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Hulk doesn’t scale to Thor? What?
ok
I saw Qawsedf234's message after I posted my message, and I agree. It also fits with my premise that all vibranium can't be equal.
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To Ultron...
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That's really not a factor here, considering this took a 3-man team to do anyway. Not to mention we don't even know vibranium's melting point to begin with so it's uncalc'able.
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Wait aren’t pre Disney tv shows non cannon now?
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Not 100% sure. I thought AoS was only a alt-universe after seasons 5 or 6 wasn't it?
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Idk let me look real quick
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https://theplaylist.net/james-gunn-marvel-cinematic-universe-canon-tv-shows-20210705/
There's a couple of interviews, that isn't canon pre wanda vision mcu shows same as the Netflix ones they aren't mcu canon
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@Qawsedf234 I disagree with Ultron having 6-C durability. He's not solid vibranium like Cap's shield of BP's claws. His body is merely made of various vibranium parts that are loose and hollow enough for him to move his body around. It's not like you see him DBZ tanking hits from everyone.
What you wrote was a direct response to my comment on Thor and Hulk scaling to each other. You should be a little more clear next time.
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Well it was in the same universe in the mcu for a bit but eventually became it’s own thing and ya know it’s non cannon
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/marvel-tv-shows-separate-mcu/
though I guess with multivresal stuff happening now I guess it would count as an alt universe now
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Uh, doesn't that mean we have to remove all AoS scaling? Like Cap needs to lose his Class 100 rating and their 8-C ratings need to be completely rejustified.
EDIT: I was wrong there. All the 8-C ratings come from Iron Man, my mistake.
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Where does 8-C Cap come from again?
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I guess but I’ll help do that later
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Apparently from AoS scaling
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Iron Man's 3 and 8 Gigajoule statements
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Honestly with Agents of shield not being canon I'd say it's looks more like Vibranium is still high tiered material and that
If we still need to work on some we can
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Okay so still consistent building level MCU still survives that fine
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He can fight iron man
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Wait you mean from like his fight in CW? Wasn’t tony holding back agianst and still put him on the floor with a held back Repulor blasts
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My memory maybe rusty but isn't the only time they've ever truly fought was against 8-B Iron Man?
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Cap also took a small building level hit from Quicksilver
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Actually, iirc, it was recalced to Low 7-C
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Their only legitimate fight was in Civil War against Mark 46 or 47 Iron man. Though I guess for fairness sake the Civil War armor was easily one of Tony's most trash suits in the franchise.
It assume a blob in the background is a bullet, which got QS sub-rel results or something. But it also breaks KE rules so it doesn't matter either way.
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Huh???
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It was the mark 46, and wdym garbage
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Tony has worse showings in that armor than he did in the Mark III and IV. He got internal bruising from a falling SUV and a reflected repulsor blast completely disabled his helmet's targeting systems.
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And getting over powered by Bucky
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