I never agreed with this to begin with. I originally brought up the whole concept of "timelines that contains other timelines as cross-sections of themselves" in the Tiering System FAQ page, and the times I explained it to people were all in completely different contexts that were unrelated to Dragon Ball, save for exactly two instances where I was criticizing how the verse was being interpreted to begin with. The fact I was arguing against Low 1-C in the original DBH thread should've made this obvious already.
Sorry if this is a stupid question but could an "overaching flow of time" be a "history" which contains multiple 4D space-time continuums within it? Basically if a larger timeline is a "history" and in the flow of that history there are multiple 4D space-times, would this count as Low 1-C
Well in the context of DB....
Pls don't be sour, I know how it feels, feeling like a clown right now....but better sportsmanship or whatever it is in context of debating and powerscaling demands us to take our losses on our faces without flinching and with a smile.
Hm. This question actually relates to a certain doubt I had regarding DontTalk's explanation up there, which may or may not affect the validity of this. Bringing it up in here would just be derailing the thread, especially in its current state, so, I'll go ahead and ask him about it while I'm at it.
My thought is that this is nonsense that at no point is remotely applicable to Dragon Ball. You're just using it to appear pseudo-intellectual by posting some equations.
Zeno objectively doesn't even erase time. The erasure is purely relating to the physical world in the present. Zeno destroying Trunks' "timeline" is objectively not something that affects Space-Time as it is noted as being possible to time travel back to a time before his world was erased, and also they still time travel to it anyway and find Future Zeno floating in space.
Then you don't know how timetravel in DB works...Zeno objectively doesn't even erase time. The erasure is purely relating to the physical world in the present. Zeno destroying Trunks' "timeline" is objectively not something that affects Space-Time as it is noted as being possible to time travel back to a time before his world was erased, and also they still time travel to it anyway and find Future Zeno floating in space.
If Zeno's erasure affected time the timeline wouldn't exist and it wouldn't be accesible anymore.
This whole upgrade is insane and completely ignores a major plot point of DBS.
No, you're wrong. They go back to Trunks' original timeline post-erasure and it's still there. The time wasn't destroyed.
In some amount of fairness Matt, this misunderstanding led a lot of people on into that direction, not just for DB, as several people here took this to mean they could get Low 1-C hypertimeline upgrades for their verses without realizing what Ultima said overall. Me included.
Sorry if I enter without asking, but, wasn't that accepted as PIS due of Time Ring still being erased? I saw this thread which is pretty detailed on how the rings were originally 7 before Zeno erased one, making them just 6 at the end of the arc.
Then clearly the mechanics of the Time Rings were misinterpreted because it's not PIS it's a major plot point.
The true definition of PIS is literally the power levels being forcefully ignored to suit the plot to make it move on. Pokémon is clearly an example about this.
Even Arceus being paradoxed and not being able to counter a meteor are such, so?
Same as before
One of my DB friend helped on this...so credits to him , Cr_Catinho
You sure like to throw around the word objective huh? Anyway, in context, Whis is talking about going to a different timeline. If Whis thinks he could go to the past of the destroyed timeline, not only would he be wrong, but he wouldn’t have to tell Trunks and Mai they'd be living with alternative versions of themselves. Goku and Trunks going to a timeline after it's destroyed doesn’t mean anything either. It just means the time machine can travel outside of space-time.Zeno objectively doesn't even erase time. The erasure is purely relating to the physical world in the present. Zeno destroying Trunks' "timeline" is objectively not something that affects Space-Time as it is noted as being possible to time travel back to a time before his world was erased, and also they still time travel to it anyway and find Future Zeno floating in space.
If Zeno's erasure affected time the timeline wouldn't exist and it wouldn't be accesible anymore.
This whole upgrade is insane and completely ignores a major plot point of DBS.
If you refer to me, that was not my intention, but I now realise that it was likely inappropriate of me to post screenshots that I had been shown, so I apologise for that.
I don't refer to you, I refer to the people who are in the same Discord and who screenshot it.
I'd rather have one aspect of cosmology be discussed at a time...there has already been enough confusion over multiple things being discussed at the same time.
Okay, I'll be fair to Matt on at least this bit, because this doesn't make sense to me. Not saying it necessarily is one, but how is a time machine, that time travels, going to an area where time is supposed to be erased, not a contradiction to the latter's erasure?
Not canon, try again.
Kukui already said that if you don't agree with Low 1-C, downgrade the verse at 3-A, and this is what I'm doing.
You didn't get it did you ?
Is this an actual proof of just Universe 7 being cloned? "These two universes are connected" doesen't remotely imply such.
No, in the game it's stated that the new space time is a copy of U7. The scan is in the blog
About this:
This has nothing to do with spatiality or temporality.
Indeed.
1) There are lots of characters who aren't the same person but yet they work like a Vodoo effect like Thunder McQueen
Trunks refers that the new space time has properties from "this universe". Trunks is clearly talking about the universe that he's in, which is U7, which is where the time nest resides
