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Correction, the Forge of creation is never stated to be outside of time and space. It's said to be out of sync with time.when they are in the forge of creation (which is outside of time and space)?
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Correction, the Forge of creation is never stated to be outside of time and space. It's said to be out of sync with time.when they are in the forge of creation (which is outside of time and space)?
it's outside of the universe, making it outside of space and time per seCorrection, the Forge of creation is never stated to be outside of time and space. It's said to be out of sync with time.
No, it just means that the flow of time inside the FoC differs from how time flows from the rest of the universe outside of it. Doesnt mean it lacks time.it's outside of the universe, making it outside of space and time per se
I'm gonna say it for the last time, the FoC isn't part of the universe, so it's outside of the universe space and time, so it makes sense that we could see the universe from outsideNo, it just means that the flow of time inside the FoC differs from how time flows from the rest of the universe outside of it. Doesnt mean it lacks time.
I'm pretty sure it won't be a pleasureYeah both sides won't give up. I'm really interested to see how this will conclude.
Okay and my point here is that being outside of the universe's space and time doesnt mean the FoC is outside of all time and space. It's time flow simply differs from the universes.I'm gonna say it for the last time, the FoC isn't part of the universe, so it's outside of the universe space and time, so it makes sense that we could see the universe from outside
Post scan of it being outside the Universe or stated to be outside of the Universe with space and time as well from the show and no Twitter scans.I'm gonna say it for the last time, the FoC isn't part of the universe, so it's outside of the universe space and time, so it makes sense that we could see the universe from outside
How about you post the one where Paradox says here is another universe and then starts to explain about the forge?Post scan of it being outside the Universe or stated to be outside of the Universe with space and time as well from the show and no Twitter scans.
I fail to see how what the universes are portrayed as would be relevant here? Like the thing Paradox calls a universe here would actually be the 2-B timestream.Mostly because of this clip showing the universes existing as sort of hubble volumes.
I believe you are talking about this scene.How about you post the one where Paradox says here is another universe and then starts to explain about the forge?
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Ben 10 scaling can vary from 3-A to 1-B... 1-B.the powersystem in ben 10 is too ****** up we can't even rate a single feat
anyway I'm still neutral
alien X but yeahBen 10 scaling can vary from 3-A to 1-B... 1-B.
There i fixed it for you.Ben 10 scaling can vary from 3-A to 1-A High... 1-A High.
Which side do you personally agree with moreafter both sides laid their summary of the arguments?Stop derailing a thread that's already in the seventh page with useless comments. Thank you.
I can agree with Annihilargh being Low 2-C from what I can understand. I don't understand what is meant by Alien X's "DNA" breaching the field. Can I get a video of that? Sorry if it has already been posted. This thread is hard to keep track of.
skurd ability is esssentially partial omnitrix transformation, it's a symbiote that can turn into a part of an alien if it scans its dna, or here, something made out of it (celestial sapien sword). From what we know, the celestial sapien sword made using celestial sapien DNA should be inferior or equal to alien X physical abilities since skurd copies it.I can agree with Annihilargh being Low 2-C from what I can understand. I don't understand what is meant by Alien X's "DNA" breaching the field. Can I get a video of that? Sorry if it has already been posted. This thread is hard to keep track of.
You can watch this video, it will clarify the whole Skurd discussion for youI can agree with Annihilargh being Low 2-C from what I can understand. I don't understand what is meant by Alien X's "DNA" breaching the field. Can I get a video of that? Sorry if it has already been posted. This thread is hard to keep track of.
Zamasu has counter points against it being that high but The Annihilaarg doing a Low 2-C creation feat (assuming its even low 2-C) isn't the main issue.I can agree with Annihilargh being Low 2-C from what I can understand. I don't understand what is meant by Alien X's "DNA" breaching the field. Can I get a video of that? Sorry if it has already been posted. This thread is hard to keep track of.
It's stated time hasn’t began yet.What is the actual statement that the white space before the universe is created is timeless, by the way? I was talking to Dargoo about this and he doesn't remember that ever being stated.
Edit: NVM had a brainfrartIt's stated time hasn’t began yet.
@SomebodyData @Dragonmasterxyz @Celestial_Pegasus @Soldier_Blue @Saikou_The_Lewd_King @Wokistan @Mr._Bambu @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Ogbunabali @AbstractionsThe events in the show:
Abridged Low 2-C Argument:
- Ben and Rook travel to before their universe and timeline were created.
- This place is a timeless void, established by being before the timeline was created, other statements, and the inability to use time manipulation.
- Maltruant is attempting to use his own Annihilargh to create a universe and its time in his image.
- The Contumelia created an extra-dimensional field to protect them from the device's release of energy. They consider it impossible to breach the field.
- Alien X DNA is able to breach the extra-dimensional field.
- The Annihilargh's energy release is Low 2-C as per our Tiering System of explicitly creating a universe and its time.
- The Annihilargh cannot be 3-A because as per our Tiering System, 3-A specifically says that it "does not involve the destruction and/or creation of space-time."
- The Annihilargh cannot be High 3-A because, as per our Tiering System, High 3-A does not account for any higher dimensions or time.
- The Contulemia are familiar with and deal with the universe and time creating energies numerous times. With this prior knowledge, they created the Extra-Dimensional field to protect themselves from such energies.
- They would not create an Extra-Dimensional field below Low 2-C durability and say that it was impossible to breach if they deal with Low 2-C energies all the time and if Low 2-C energy can breach the field. Therefore, anything that is at least Low 2-C or above would be able to breach the Extra-Dimensional Field.
- Because Alien X DNA was able to breach the "impossible to breach" Extra-Dimensional field created by beings who deal with Low 2-C energy all the time, Alien X should be At least Low 2-C.
Tbf death of the author is a thing.Mostly speaking,while a bit inconsistent, I think the intention of the scene is that its a void before time and the feat itself is Low 2-C.
If it contradicts the story.Tbf death of the author is a thing.