Aizen should be more powerful than Ichigo

[AnonymousBlank]

Seeing how utterly useless most Shinigami are, I wouldn't be surprised Kon was stronger tbh.

GRC was cracked? GRC is an energy attack that tore into Yhwach when Ichigo slapped him with it. It can't be "cracked" and Yhwach was fine because of his Almighty, just like every other time Ichigo split the guy in two.

No reiatsu showings?

• His True Shikai = Dangai >>> Butterflaizen >>> Post Chrysalis who was vaping normal souls with his presence and vaping Captain-class by contact.

• Ichibei recreated himself by stealing a load of energy from Ichigo who couldn't even tell the difference even when told about it.

• Hollow merge make true Shikai look like fodder and did more damage to Yhwach with just Ichigo's power alone than Aizen could with his best Kido that amped itself with the reishi and reiryoku around it.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I disagree with the assessment.

At the time the "Special War Powers" was conceived, Aizen had the higher Reiatsu.

But because of his "Unstoppable Evolution", him obtaining his true power, Ichigo became stronger than Yhwach physically at the end of the arc, so much so that Yhwach considered Ichigo's Bankai a real threat and destroyed it instantly.

The only thing Aizen did in their scuffle is get yeeted by Yhwach while putting Yhwach under KS. Then he got absorbed or something after Yhwach came back.

Ichigo became more powerful and had a more impressive showdown against Yhwach, at least physically.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

I disagree with the assessment.
At the time the "Special War Powers" was conceived, Aizen had the higher Reiatsu.

But because of his "Unstoppable Evolution", him obtaining his true power, Ichigo became stronger than Yhwach physically at the end of the arc, so much so that Yhwach considered Ichigo's Bankai a real threat and destroyed it instantly.

The only thing Aizen did in their scuffle is get yeeted by Yhwach while putting Yhwach under KS. Then he got absorbed or something after Yhwach came back.

Ichigo became more powerful and had a more impressive showdown against Yhwach, at least physically.

Ichigo became more powerful? Yhwach robbed two of his important powers. He got weaker, meanwhile Aizen got stronger just by doing nothing!

 

[HST_Master]

And yet was able to one shot Yhwach twice while Aizen got ganked.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

>Temporarily lost two

>Still stronger than Aizen anyway

 

[JohnCenaNation]

And yet was able to one shot Yhwach twice while Aizen got ganked.

"Twice". First time off-guard, second time powers disabled.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

@John

Losing your hax and not paying attention does not make you less durable.

 

[HST_Master]

"Twice". First time off-guard, second time powers disabled.

>powers disabled

He lost the almighty not his dura.

>Not paying attention

Leaving yourself open isn't a excuse courtesy of Hierro users and Kenpachi.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

@John
Losing your hax and not paying attention does not make you less durable.

Explain how Orihime knocked Ichigo out cold with a headbutt? Or Ichigo got hurt by running into a wall carelessly? Or Kenpachi complaining about pain whenever Yachiru yanks his ears? Or Ichigo having trouble hurting weaker opponents? Controlling your reiatsu is a thing in Bleach. Kenpachi even pointed this out during his fight against Ichigo, if Ichigo were to carelessly lower his reiatsu, shit happens.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

"Twice". First time off-guard, second time powers disabled.

>powers disabled
He lost the almighty not his dura.

>Not paying attention

Leaving yourself open isn't a excuse courtesy of Hierro users and Kenpachi.

He lost Almighty, Soul King, Mimihage, Blut, etc. and was slowly recovering them.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@John

Those are gag scenes, they are not meant to be taken seriously.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

That's why there's an and. Losing the Allmighty didn't make him less durable.

 

[HST_Master]

Your point? The only thing preventing Ichigo from one shotting, the Almighty was removed. Ichigo already cut through him like butter when fully powered. And like I said, leaving yourself open isn't a excuse when we have Kenpachi and Ulquiorra both who have been off guard before against an attack come out unscathed. Same with Aizen, Grimmjow, Harribel, and several other characters. Also bringing up comedic moments isn't feasible or else Bulma and Chichi would be Low 2-C for making Goku say "Ow"

 

[JohnCenaNation]

@John
Those are gag scenes, they are not meant to be taken seriously.

So Goku getting hurt by bullet and laser is only a gag moment?

 

[HST_Master]

So Goku getting hurt by bullet and laser is only a gag moment?

False Equivolency. Goku got a Bruise and Goku had completely powered himself down. A mechanic only in DB btw. You're trying to compare those to gags.

 

[TataHakai]

Actually the viz translation for the Arrow says it takes away ALL of Yhwach's powers, not just the almighty.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

So Goku getting hurt by bullet and laser is only a gag moment?

False Equivolency. Goku got a Bruise and Goku had completely powered himself down. A mechanic only in DB btw. You're trying to compare those to gags.

 

[HST_Master]

That proves what exactly?

 

[JohnCenaNation]

That proves what exactly?

Ichigo lowered his guard by relaxing which lead to his reiatsu to lower down leading to Kenpachi easily cutting through his defense because controlling your reiatsu in Bleach is a thing. Same reason as how Yhwach lowered his guard and didn't know Ichigo was going to ambush him which lead to his first defeat.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

And Yhwach was casually pimp slapping both of Ichigo and Aizen around at the same time no problem. Your new "point" also has nothing to do with your ridiculous false equivalentlcy of your previous examples being gags.

 

[HST_Master]

Ichigo lowered his guard by relaxing which lead to his reiatsu to lower down leading to Kenpachi easily cutting through his defense because controlling your reiatsu in Bleach is a thing. Yhwach lowered his guard and didn't know Ichigo was going to ambush which lead to his first defeat.

>Ichigo lowered his reiatsu

Even though Kenpachi just earlier said his battle senses was improving and Kenpachi himself is getting stronger as time passes. Yhwach didn't lower his guard to where Ichigo was able to One Shot him. And to boot there's Ichigo's Gran Rey Getsuga cleaving through him earlier, an attack Yhwach was sure would do nothing.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Actually the viz translation for the Arrow says it takes away ALL of Yhwach's powers, not just the almighty.

Being physically strong isn't a power though.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Ichigo lowered his guard by relaxing which lead to his reiatsu to lower down leading to Kenpachi easily cutting through his defense because controlling your reiatsu in Bleach is a thing. Yhwach lowered his guard and didn't know Ichigo was going to ambush which lead to his first defeat.

>Ichigo lowered his reiatsu
Even though Kenpachi just earlier said his battle senses was improving and Kenpachi himself is getting stronger as time passes. Yhwach didn't lower his guard to where Ichigo was able to One Shot him. And to boot there's Ichigo's Gran Rey Getsuga cleaving through him earlier, an attack Yhwach was sure would do nothing.



Once again you fail to understand the concept of controlling your reiatsu. All characters in Bleach verse, especially Shinigami needs learn how to control their reiatsu or else they would carrying their zanpakuto the size of a skyscraper. The same reason why Kenpachi couldn't communicate with his zanpakuto, not being able to control your reiatsu create disharmony between the wielder and the spirit. Why is it that ordinary human like Orihime didn't turn to dust while being near Ichigo? Controlling your reiatsu prevents you from putting harm to everyone around you. Why did Ichigo struggle to hurt weaker opponents that even a lieutenant can defeat despite him possessing captain class reiryoku? Having all that reiryoku is good, but not being able to use it properly in the form of a reiatsu is bad. Also please don't compare Gran Rey Cero combined with Getsuga Tensho to a regular Getsuga Tensho.

 

[HST_Master]

>Once again you fail to understand the concept of controlling your reiatsu

I understand it fine. You however are trying to insert this in moments that make no sense such as trying to say Yhwach and Ichigo would willingly lower their reiatsu in the middle of a fight while being attacked. Kenpachi wears his eyepatch to control his reiatsu other than that the only way to restrain himself is willingly hold back his physical swings. And Ichigo was initially unable to even leave a dent. And to boot Orihime an ordinary human? Far from it. She can consistently defend against the top tiers.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

>Once again you fail to understand the concept of controlling your reiatsuI understand it fine. You however are trying to insert this in moments that make no sense such as trying to say Yhwach and Ichigo would willingly lower their reiatsu in the middle of a fight while being attacked. Kenpachi wears his eyepatch to control his reiatsu other than that the only way to restrain himself is willingly hold back his physical swings. And Ichigo was initially unable to even leave a dent. And to boot Orihime an ordinary human? Far from it. She can consistently defend against the top tiers.

But Orihime is an ordinary human, she is just a human with special powers like Ururu. Orihime being able to consistently defend against the top tiers is a combination of outlier/cis/pis/plot armor either that or perhaps her opponents were using less than 0.1% of their powers against her trying not to kill her. A town level character blocking moon level attacks is as bad as it can get. Yes heroes and villains in Bleach verse tends to lower down their guard whenever they get cocky, especially Kenpachi.

 

[Warren_Valion]

There's literally a point in the final chapters where Orihime is happy about herself reaching a level where she can be a help to Ichigo and the others.

It's called power progression, not PIS.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

There's literally a point in the final chapters where Orihime is happy about herself reaching a level where she can be a help to Ichigo and the others.
It's called power progression, not PIS.

Lol, when has Orihime ever been helpful to Ichigo and the others? Whenever she trains, she always gets immediately shafted by the next person that shows up. She has been nothing more than a damsel-in-distress in Bleach verse who is just there because of plot.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I feel like all those times she healed people would be considered extremely helpful.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Here is the thread talking about upgrading her profile.

Here are the scans of what I was talking about:

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Here is the thread talking about upgrading her profile.Here are the scans of what I was talking about:

I know what you are talking about, but the the main point is Orihime is generally treated as the canon fodder among Ichigo's group, and always has been. To scale her anywhere near Ichigo and the others near his level would pretty much be ignoring the entire concept of powerscaling in Bleach verse. It's completely out of her character to be this strong. The same reason why we don't have Universe level Post-Crisis Superman in this wiki.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

You can have characters become comparable to strong characters after training. That's why Grimmjow isn't fodder in TYBW despite being offscreen since Aizen's time.

 

[Warren_Valion]

1. Stop quoting large post.

2 What a disgusting false equivalency.

There is a literal scene in the series where her hard work and growth in strength is being recognized, and how it is comparable to the others. You can't deny this. Orihime has numerous feats throughout the series and got stronger numerous times, look at the thread that I linked for proof.

This isn't an outlier, it's power progression. She trained off-screen and became powerful enough to deal with Moon Level attacks. That's what happened.


I don't know what you have against Orihime, and frankly, I don't care. But stop downplaying the character's abilities and feats to fit your narrative.

It is stupid and disingenuous.

 

[HST_Master]

Warren already linked the thread explaining her stats. Orihime has consistently been able to defend from top tiers. Yammy, Ichigo, Ginjo, Yhwach, Uryu.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

You can have characters become comparable to strong characters after training. That's why Grimmjow isn't fodder in TYBW despite being offscreen since Aizen's time.

But Grimmjow is a fodder in TYBW, he didn't contribute much at all other than finishing off a wounded Quilge, got knocked out by Askin, and ambushed Askin from behind.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

1. Stop quoting large post.
2 What a disgusting false equivalency.

There is a literal scene in the series where her hard work and growth in strength is being recognized, and how it is comparable to the others. You can't deny this. Orihime has numerous feats throughout the series and got stronger numerous times, look at the thread that I linked for proof.

This isn't an outlier, it's power progression. She trained off-screen and became powerful enough to deal with Moon Level attacks. That's what happened.


I don't know what you have against Orihime, and frankly, I don't care. But stop downplaying the character's abilities and feats to fit your narrative.

It is stupid and disingenuous.

By your logic Black Panther should be Solar System level, because he was constantly shown holding his own against Solar System level opponents, and constantly shown training. Nah fam, that's not how powerscaling works, it has to be consistant.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

This is honestly so incredibly silly it's funny. And no, I mean your usual threads John, so you don't get confused.

At least this isn't as bad as Kid Buu being the strongest, but you should allow your mind to be a little flexible to what others say.

 

[AppleLord]

Orihime isn't human.

• She is a Fullbringer created by the Hogyoku according to Urahara. (Light Novels) and Ryuken in the manga. Her power grows thanks to Ichigo's similar ability to share power like Jugram since Urahara said she and Chad awoken their powers thanks to Ichigo's unknown power.

Ururu

• She is a creation of Urahara the same way Mayuri created Nemu. The red haired kid is also a creation of Urahara.

If you are not keeping up with Bleach lore whh are you here trying to downplay?

Also, Aizen was not able to land a single hit on Yhwach. Ichigo killed him twice and made him bleed with Gran Rey Getsuga Cero.

 

[Naeblis495]

AppleLord get it .

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Orihime isn't human.

• She is a Fullbringer created by the Hogyoku according to Urahara. (Light Novels) and Ryuken in the manga. Her power grows thanks to Ichigo's similar ability to share power like Jugram since Urahara said she and Chad awoken their powers thanks to Ichigo's unknown power.

Ururu

• She is a creation of Urahara the same way Mayuri created Nemu. The red haired kid is also a creation of Urahara.

If you are not keeping up with Bleach lore whh are you here trying to downplay?

Also, Aizen was not able to land a single hit on Yhwach. Ichigo killed him twice and made him bleed with Gran Rey Getsuga Cero.

First time offguard, second time Yhwach's powers was disabled. Lastly that Gran Rey Getsuga Tensho Cero is didn't make Yhwach bleed, it simply cut his reiatsu cloth.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Look at the colored scan, it shows Yhwach bleeding. If you wanna make a statement like that, be informed of what the opposition's reasoning is and do some basic research.