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Picking this up from this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4008355#277.
First we should make clear what hearts are. A heart is one of three things out of which the average person consists of in Kingdom Hearts. The other two things are the body and the soul which are stated to be separate. There are several statements regarding the nature of the heart:
Xehanort calls his heart his essence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8TBDdadfQ&feature=youtu.be&t=983
Kairi's heart is referred to as her essence.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522251946124640268/669829358558380052/20200123_010219.jpg
Chirithy states that the heart being destroyed makes one fade out of existence entirely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8TBDdadfQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1256
Xemnas says destroying Lea's soul would not affect Lea's heart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeXTCPpHio8&feature=youtu.be&t=230
In the last thread we discussed whether or not this makes hearts concepts. An argument against this was that essences do not automatically qualify as concepts as they are defined on our Conceptual Manipulation page and that hearts need to be of an universal scope in order to qualify.
The resulting question as what concepts that aren't universal in scope qualify led to the creation of this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4013199. In the end it didn't really lead to anything. We also still have to decide as what the ability to manipulate hearts qualifies as since this is a pretty major ability for the Kingdom Hearts verse.
Kingdom Hearts should have Abstract Existence for the following reasons:
Kingdom Hearts is the collective heart of the World: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538624028831907850/623252344779309071/unknown.png.
Kingdom Hearts is formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds: https://www.khwiki.com/Xehanort's_Report#Xehanort.27s_Report_III.
Every existence has a heart and the collection of all kinds of hearts results in Kingdom Hearts: https://imgur.com/a/uajMYOt.
"The heart of worlds was a great heart that gathered everything that formed those worlds: the natural things such as the trees in the forests, the oceans and rivers, the flowers and such. A Kingdom Hearts is considered to be an aggregation of the originally invisible "proofs of life" known as hearts.": https://www.khwiki.com/Director's_Secret_Report_XIII#Part_1_-_ABOUT_THE_WORLD_OF_KINGDOM_HEARTS
The presented evidence shows that Kingdom Hearts is made of hearts which are essences and in regards to it's power and the things it embodies, Kingdom Hearts is quite easily universal and beyond in scope. This would give it Abstract Existence (Type 1).
If Kingdom Hearts gets Abstract Existence, then this would result in Conceptual Manipulation for the X-Blade and the Keyblade for the following reasons:
The X-Blade can be used to control Kingdom Hearts which is why Xehanort wanted it in the first place.
This video at 8:19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMBFFH3aPw
The Guardians of Light were busy keeping Kingdom Hearts shut due to it being a bigger threat than Xehanort.
This video at 12:13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vozdC4HlFs.
Sora and the others closed Kingdom Hearts after they defeated Xehanort.
First we should make clear what hearts are. A heart is one of three things out of which the average person consists of in Kingdom Hearts. The other two things are the body and the soul which are stated to be separate. There are several statements regarding the nature of the heart:
Xehanort calls his heart his essence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8TBDdadfQ&feature=youtu.be&t=983
Kairi's heart is referred to as her essence.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522251946124640268/669829358558380052/20200123_010219.jpg
Chirithy states that the heart being destroyed makes one fade out of existence entirely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8TBDdadfQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1256
Xemnas says destroying Lea's soul would not affect Lea's heart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeXTCPpHio8&feature=youtu.be&t=230
In the last thread we discussed whether or not this makes hearts concepts. An argument against this was that essences do not automatically qualify as concepts as they are defined on our Conceptual Manipulation page and that hearts need to be of an universal scope in order to qualify.
The resulting question as what concepts that aren't universal in scope qualify led to the creation of this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4013199. In the end it didn't really lead to anything. We also still have to decide as what the ability to manipulate hearts qualifies as since this is a pretty major ability for the Kingdom Hearts verse.
Kingdom Hearts should have Abstract Existence for the following reasons:
Kingdom Hearts is the collective heart of the World: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538624028831907850/623252344779309071/unknown.png.
Kingdom Hearts is formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds: https://www.khwiki.com/Xehanort's_Report#Xehanort.27s_Report_III.
Every existence has a heart and the collection of all kinds of hearts results in Kingdom Hearts: https://imgur.com/a/uajMYOt.
"The heart of worlds was a great heart that gathered everything that formed those worlds: the natural things such as the trees in the forests, the oceans and rivers, the flowers and such. A Kingdom Hearts is considered to be an aggregation of the originally invisible "proofs of life" known as hearts.": https://www.khwiki.com/Director's_Secret_Report_XIII#Part_1_-_ABOUT_THE_WORLD_OF_KINGDOM_HEARTS
The presented evidence shows that Kingdom Hearts is made of hearts which are essences and in regards to it's power and the things it embodies, Kingdom Hearts is quite easily universal and beyond in scope. This would give it Abstract Existence (Type 1).
If Kingdom Hearts gets Abstract Existence, then this would result in Conceptual Manipulation for the X-Blade and the Keyblade for the following reasons:
The X-Blade can be used to control Kingdom Hearts which is why Xehanort wanted it in the first place.
This video at 8:19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMBFFH3aPw
The Guardians of Light were busy keeping Kingdom Hearts shut due to it being a bigger threat than Xehanort.
This video at 12:13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vozdC4HlFs.
Sora and the others closed Kingdom Hearts after they defeated Xehanort.