About the 2-B Pokémon trainers thread

[Kepekley23]

Basically, two threads have been made about this subject. One was made purely to discuss it, and the other was derailed and closed as a result.

Both threads attempted to upgrade top-tier Pokémon trainers, such as champions, to 2-B, based on several showings that have been deemed inconsistent and/or game mechanics.

You can see both threads here:

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Should we make a Discussion Rule against this? Basically, >95% percent of the posters went against it.

NOTE: STAFF-ONLY

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yes.

 

[Dark649]

J-Man, this is a staff only thread, violating the rule might lead to a ban, so don't comment another time here.

 

[Kepekley23]

@J-Man

I'll post your stuff here, just leave them in my wall.

"Top-tier Pokémon trainers" is broad enough.

 

[PaChi2]

Please do no try to scale any Pokémon character to the creation trio as this has been deemed inconsistent, contrary to the lore and reliant on game mechanics and/or PIS. These Pokémon are established as the supreme deities of their universe and as such anyone actually opposing them in direct combat is not accepted.

Something... like this?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I can't believe this escalated so far....

 

[Kepekley23]

I also didn't want it to escalate this far, but this was suggested several times. It kinda had to go through.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I didn't know people took that seriously. Scaling trainers to Arceus or the Creation Trio is ridiculous.

I'm fine with PaChi's suggestion.

 

[Kepekley23]

"Do not try to upgrade any Pokémon trainers, even the strongest and most skilled, to 2-C or 2-B based on them keeping up with the Creation Trio. This has been deemed inaccurate on the basis of game mechanics and PIS, and it harshly contradicts what the lore has established."

My take.

 

[PaChi2]

I didn't know people took that seriously. Scaling trainers to Arceus or the Creation Trio is ridiculous.

You'd be surprised how seriously people actually took it.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So I will ask. Is scaling to the likes of say Necrozma and such allowed. That's gonna be asked. SO might as well get it outta the way.

 

[Dark649]

Agree with Kep.

 

[Dark649]

So I will ask. Is scaling to the likes of say Necrozma and such allowed. That's gonna be asked. SO might as well get it outta the way.

Well it will depends on the situation.

 

[PaChi2]

I mean, If Necrozma and such actually fight the CT in a "consistent way" (like, not fighting Lugia and moments later Dialga), Im fine with that.

We could give them a Tier 2 key and be done with it.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

No, I mean trainers scaling to them. Like Sun scaling to the Necrozma he caught.

 

[Kepekley23]

Trainer feats are highly inconsistent. A random Team Rocket grunt tanked Lance's Dragonite's Hyper Beam to the face without a scratch, and then we have even stronger trainers struggling with Onixes and even Pikachus.

 

[PaChi2]

No, I mean trainers scaling to them. Like Sun scaling to the Necrozma he caught.

Are you suggesting the "X tier with Necrozma"? or directly scaling all the team to necrozma?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"Do not try to upgrade any Pokémon trainers, even the strongest and most skilled, to 2-C or 2-B based on them keeping up with the Creation Trio. This has been deemed inaccurate on the basis of game mechanics and PIS, and it harshly contradicts what the lore has established."
My take.

This.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

The fact this went so far is ridiculous. Scaling to the Creation trio is absurd.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@PaChi Either or. I'll let the others decide.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

This would nerf Darkrai and Cress as well, right?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Pretty sure Darkrai and Cresselia were agreed to be downgraded to 2-C a while back, given that their buffs make Darkrai fighting them an outlier.

 

[PaChi2]

@PaChi Either or. I'll let the others decide.

Well, you see, Im not sure about scaling to tier 4s because we already consider tier 4 non legends an outlier.

Scaling to the tier 6-5 legends should be done case by case, if accepted

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I mean lower than 2-C. If we are removing all scaling from the CT they don't have any feats of their own, I'm pretty sur.

 

[PaChi2]

I mean lower than 2-C. If we are removing all scaling from the CT they don't have any feats of their own, I'm pretty sur.

Darkrai does have another 2-C feat iirc.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Ah. If he does that's fine. We will need to change the reasoning to that feat, though.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Kukui has informed me that it was not agreed to have them at 2-C, but rather "At least 2-C, possibly 2-B."

 

[Kepekley23]

Yeah, that's true.

 

[PaChi2]

@Assalt can we not talk about darkrai and Cress now? They are not the topic at hand.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I mean they kinda are. Anything that involves scaling to the CT is. I think the trainers are just the main offender right now.

 

[Ryukama]

I didn't know people took that seriously. Scaling trainers to Arceus or the Creation Trio is ridiculous.

"Do not try to upgrade any Pokémon trainers, even the strongest and most skilled, to 2-C or 2-B based on them keeping up with the Creation Trio. This has been deemed inaccurate on the basis of game mechanics and PIS, and it harshly contradicts what the lore has established."

^ I completely agree with these two comments.

 

[Kepekley23]

How can you feel sorry? None of this is your fault at all.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Don't sweat it man, these things happen. Just don't try and push it in the future.

 

[Ryukama]

@Kukui No biggie. You were very civilized and reasonable. Don't feel bad at all. Thanks anyways for your support.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Just coming here to follow. Wanted to have some input if needed, but I do think the Trainer's/Champion's teams should be 2-B as the best member has that Tier potential.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Just coming here to follow. Wanted to have some input if needed, but I do think the Trainer's/Champion's teams should be 2-B as the best member has that Tier potential.

Sorry Hop but that isn't happening. The CT would be tier 6 before the trainers became tier 2.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

HOP SEES OK B0SS

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I think we already have a written rule about not scaling Trainers to legendaries, I guess we can just add to that instead of making an entirely new one.

By the way. Welcome back, Sera!

 

[Antvasima]

"Do not try to upgrade any Pokémo trainers, even the strongest and most skilled, to 2-C or 2-B based on them keeping up with the Creation Trio. This has been deemed inaccurate on the basis of game mechanics and PIS, and it harshly contradicts what the lore has established."

My take.

I am fine with this regulation, and find them necessary in general to avoid that the staff get overwhelmed by the same topics repeating themselves over and over. We have to get the time to be able to focus on new issues instead.

 

[Kepekley23]

Okay.

It was also agreed to be ridiculous by all but two people, and with reason.