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Taking it from here so a new discussion is made . And I would appreciate it if someone could highlight this as this, to me, seems very important regarding Pokemon trainer scaling.
The current argument in the previous thread is discussing whether or not Cyrus, and the S/M Protagonist(s) should be 2-C/2-B because of him having Dialga/Palkia in USUM and the protagonist beats them to get to Giovanni and the CT being even catchable or the CT being weakened via being confined to pokeballs and having them scale to Ultra Necrozma (If I missed anything, you can reread the current disccusion in the thread I linked.)
However, as someone who disagrees with much of this, here was my personal take on the matter to why this is a problem based on his claim:
As we all clearly know, when trainers catch their pokemon with pokeballs, they do so by battling the pokemon in questio and weaken them to the point where they can be caught (otherwise they'll just break out for not being weakened enough.) Unless, as other mediums depict it as, they willingly decide to be captured. Thats how it goes, and this goes back to Cyrus's claim. Unless somehow Cyrus is specifically refering to the Master Ball (because thats the only way you can catch a pokemon without battling them head on), his statement is implying that the CT are able to be fought head on by any trainer and even be weakened enough to have a pokeball hold them. This would have to be implied or else Cyrus would never say such a thing in the first place. And since he's only talking about pokeballs, there's nothing actually suggesting that only specific trainers when experienced enough would be capable of this. Taking this into account would result in either 1 of 2 things hapening:
Either Dialga and Palkia are only as strong as normal legendaries and well trained pokemon, or every single trainer and their mother's pokemon are 2-C/2-B in scaling, because the CT can be fought and weakened enough to be captured (Or in USUM's case, beaten).
...And that's where the problem begins. Because im 100% confident, like others im sure would too, that both of these options are straight up silly. I have more to say but I want more knowledgeable users to come join in if possible first. And of course, I can't speak for everyone so I would like to see what others would think about this issue.
The current argument in the previous thread is discussing whether or not Cyrus, and the S/M Protagonist(s) should be 2-C/2-B because of him having Dialga/Palkia in USUM and the protagonist beats them to get to Giovanni and the CT being even catchable or the CT being weakened via being confined to pokeballs and having them scale to Ultra Necrozma (If I missed anything, you can reread the current disccusion in the thread I linked.)
However, as someone who disagrees with much of this, here was my personal take on the matter to why this is a problem based on his claim:
As we all clearly know, when trainers catch their pokemon with pokeballs, they do so by battling the pokemon in questio and weaken them to the point where they can be caught (otherwise they'll just break out for not being weakened enough.) Unless, as other mediums depict it as, they willingly decide to be captured. Thats how it goes, and this goes back to Cyrus's claim. Unless somehow Cyrus is specifically refering to the Master Ball (because thats the only way you can catch a pokemon without battling them head on), his statement is implying that the CT are able to be fought head on by any trainer and even be weakened enough to have a pokeball hold them. This would have to be implied or else Cyrus would never say such a thing in the first place. And since he's only talking about pokeballs, there's nothing actually suggesting that only specific trainers when experienced enough would be capable of this. Taking this into account would result in either 1 of 2 things hapening:
Either Dialga and Palkia are only as strong as normal legendaries and well trained pokemon, or every single trainer and their mother's pokemon are 2-C/2-B in scaling, because the CT can be fought and weakened enough to be captured (Or in USUM's case, beaten).
...And that's where the problem begins. Because im 100% confident, like others im sure would too, that both of these options are straight up silly. I have more to say but I want more knowledgeable users to come join in if possible first. And of course, I can't speak for everyone so I would like to see what others would think about this issue.
