About DBS half 2-C feat and range upgrade.

[Omegas03]

First point; soo, it was stated that Beerus and Champa clashing would be able to destroy two universes, thing that made then backscale from 2-C.

The thing is that it was said that two GoDs fighting would destroy 2 universes, would this include Toppo or Sidra for example? Because if that were the case anyone over 2x above Toppo be it Omen Goku, Broly, Kefla, Jiren, Beerus, etc would all be 2-C by mere scaling. It is also obvious that GoDs differ in strength so anyone 2x stronger than the weakest GoD for example could be 2-C if this applies.

Second; the range for the Low 2-Cs has to be upgraded.

Debut UIO Goku and Jiren have been stated to be above Infinite Zamasu and in DB range usually correlates to power. It also makes no sense Jiren has a range two orders of infinity shorter than Zamasu, considering Jiren was stated to be above him many times. Supporting evidence is Beerus and Champa having a 2-C range coming with their shared feat. BoG Goku's 3-A feat is also 3-A in range so I see no reason for the Low 2-C having merely Universal range. Also the High Universal range for Goku has to be removed.

If that doesn't go through then at least the guys who scale to Beerus (Goku, Jiren and Broly) need their range upgraded to 2-C.

 

[Ionliosite]

I agree with Low 2-C for everyone above IZ. Neutral on 2-C range-

 

[Dragomer]

I agree with both.

 

[AwkguyDB]

I agree with it all

 

[LordTracer]

I also agree with it all.

 

[Iisdude1]

Were Beerus and Champa at full power when they did the 2-C thing?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Hm, I guess

 

[AKM sama]

Disagree. Again, this was already talked about. Toppo is not a full-fledged GoD, and we have no proof the he is even as strong as the GoDs so we already treat him as being a bit below GoD level.

Neither do we know enough about Sidra to make any kind of quantifiable strength comparison between him and Beerus / Champa.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

That "half 2-C" thing still exists ?

Lol

 

[LordTracer]

You might want to reword Toppo's profile then, because "As a God of Destruction Candidate, Toppo was stated to have become equal in power to a God of Destruction by the Supreme Kai, which was confirmed by Belmod in that only a GoD can access that level of power, with the narrator outright calling Toppo a GoD" implies you treat him as straight-up GoD level.

 

[Omegas03]

I am also somewhat iffy about the 2-C for everyone 2x Toppo tbh but a lot seem to agree with it so I brought it up. Also you didn't address the range part.

Also, if we still treat GoDs as comparable then MUI Goku and UBW Jiren should be 2-C but that is a bit off Topic and was discussed a lot of times.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with AKM Sama, Toppo has enough proof to be above Infinite Zamasu, but he's only potentially comparable to the GoD, not equal to them. Even Jiren at full power is only slightly above the GoD individually.

 

[Omegas03]

What about the Range part?

 

[Antvasima]

So should Toppo's page be reworded?

 

[ZERO7772]

I also disagree for AKM reasons.

 

[Akreious]

The Range part was agreed upon in my thread ages ago. I sort of forgot about it but every Low 2-C who scales to or above Gods of Destruction should be At least Universal+, Possibly Low Multiversal (IIRC Beerus already has Low Multiversal range on his ki blasts and such).

Stronger forms such as Base Jiren (Not FP Jiren), UIO Goku, SSBE Vegeta, Golden Freeza, etc. gets Universal+ Scaling to Infinite Zamasu.

 

[Iisdude1]

Gods and anyone who scales should also have their tier changed to at least low 2-c.

Base Jiren was still in the range of the gods of destruction, if that is taken into account there's also the possibility of all these characters scaling above baseline gods of destruction.

 

[Antvasima]

So should Toppo's page be reworded?

 

[ZERO7772]

Dragon ball profiles has this bad habit of w@nking the characters when writing the reasons for their tier. Jiren's profile said that he was a GoD tier while being heavily suppressed for almost 2 years despite this beig utter nonsense.

Yeah, Toppo's profile needs to be reworded

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody experienced willing to help out with this?

 

[Omegas03]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

You might want to reword Toppo's profile then, because "As a God of Destruction Candidate, Toppo was stated to have become equal in power to a God of Destruction by the Supreme Kai, which was confirmed by Belmod in that only a GoD can access that level of power, with the narrator outright calling Toppo a GoD" implies you treat him as straight-up GoD level.

Is somebody willing to reword this in the profile?

 

[AKM sama]

Yes, the Supreme Kai and Belmod were referring to the power of destruction aka hakai, while talking about how Toppo is no different than a GoD. So the current text gives the wrong idea.

I removed the confusing part.

 

[LordTracer]

It still kinda gives the wrong idea, IMO. "As a God of Destruction Candidate, Toppo is no different than a God of Destruction" still implies he's actually GoD level.

 

[Antvasima]

LordTracer is probably correct. Toppo is probably near but not at their level.

 

[AKM sama]

Hmm I removed that line completely.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. What else is left to do here?

 

[Omegas03]

The range thing for everyone who is Low 2-C or scales to Beerus.

Also @AKM you removed that line from the AP section but the durability part still has him on par with a GoD.

 

[AKM sama]

Already fixed. Sorry if this was sloppy, I've been doing some catch up with multiple threads spanning the last week.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Ionliosite]

Given no one seems opposed to it, should we grant Universal+ range to everyone who scale to Infinite Zamas?

 

[AKM sama]

The original argument against it was made by Kaltias, that only Zamasu was able to merge with space-time and it doesn't necessarily mean that a stronger character could destroy all time within a universe.

 

[Ionliosite]

Wait, so Dragon Ball characters are rated as Low 2-C, the tier about destroy the space-time of a universe, but don't have the range to destroy the time within a universe? What's the reasoning on this?

 

[AKM sama]

Because AP doesn't always correlate to range. And so far, those characters have only shown universal range.

 

[Ionliosite]

It's extremely contradictory that the characters are rated as Low 2-C, which needs being able to destroy the space-time of a universe, while at the same time saying they don't have the range to destroy the space-time of a universe, which in turn would mean they can't destroy the very thing that gave them the rating on the first place.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Not necessarily. You only really need to have more potency than a universal+ character. Say a hammer for example, this hammer is strong enough to break the jawline of MUI Goku Kaioken x20, but it can't destroy a universe.

 

[Omegas03]

Gogeta has Low Multiversal range by scaling to Beerus. Soo at the very least Jiren, UI Goku and Broly should also get it.

And AP usually correlates to Range in DB anyways, it happened to the 3-A feat in BoG and also the shared 2-C feat recently. Beerus having Low Multiversal yet every Low 2-C only Universal is laughable, even God Toppo warped the WoV

 

[Antvasima]

AKM and Zamasu are correct as far as I am aware.

 

[Akreious]

Not necessarily. You only really need to have more potency than a universal+ character. Say a hammer for example, this hammer is strong enough to break the jawline of MUI Goku Kaioken x20, but it can't destroy a universe.

Not when said Hammer is able to manipulate and project energy according to its own will in exactly the same fashion MUI Goku and everyone else does. Your example fails when the thing is using the very same technique and energy to harm MUI Goku in the first place.

 

[Omegas03]

Y'all haven't still addressed Gogeta having 2-C range opposed to the rest of the ToP god tiers considering he scales to Beerus.