About Dark Mind

[The_real_cal_howard]

Why don't we accept him being able to control the Mirror World to his whim? This has boggled me for since when I brought this up before. The level Candy Constellation contains a galaxy in the background, and that means what takes place is outside of it, meaning there's even more. He's been shown reality Warping entire new levels into existence, flipping stages, possibly the entire Mirror World, and created thousands of stars to flee into while dying. And it's stated that his power corrupted this world enough to threaten the normal world. Frankly, he should be at least 3-C.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I actually don't know about this one. I'll highlight it for more input.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I would like to point out that Dark Nebula causes the colors of the galaxy in the background to change, as well as all of the little light thingies in the background. That shows his powers can indeed influence an entire galaxy and then some.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Even better is the fact that it's heat, cold, and electricity/plasma, and not just light.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I agree with AN & Cal

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Would this upgrade the cast?

 

[PaChi2]

at least 3-C via corruption, because he corrupted the world before mmanipulating it?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That's just light, from what I see. Even lighting up the whole universe is just 4-A...

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Dark Mind changes the color of the galaxy and surrounding celestial bodies just by switching abilities. Perhaps that could be him being so powerful that he accidentally warps reality on a galactic scale just by changing abilities? But yeah that seems like a stretch.

But his abilities are indeed capable of affecting an entire galaxy.

Also, I don't think we can quantify heating up a galaxy to the point where the stars turn red. Especially since stars already burn so hot that they shine white, making them hotter will just make them brighter. And you can't heat up space, either.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I also agree with Cal and AN...perhaps an "At least '''Galaxy Level'''" would be apropiate given other people agree with it of course.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Can he control the whole mirror world?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Considering this guy corrupted the whole thing to the point of it being capable of threatening Kirby's world, recreates parts of previous levels Kirby has been to, has created thousands of stars and nebulae when fleeing from Kirby...while dying, uses the Dimension Mirror as a mere tool (the Dimension Mirror is the progenitor of the Mirror Word), and has a spatial flipping feat of unknown scope, the answer should be yes.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

Also the Dimensional Mirror isn't a portal to the Mirror World.

That's the portal to the Mirror World, not the Dimensional Mirror. The Dimensional Mirror however seems to act like a representation of the mirror world itself, even corrupting people like Sectonia.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If that's true, then like I have always been saying, Dedede smashing the mirror is a feat.

 

[LordXcano]

How did we extrapolate "he can flip whole stages" to "it's likely he can manipulate the whole dimension"? Kirby is 8 inches tall. A truck could flip the whole stage.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

Is any information about Kirby's height canon anyways? I mean, with HUMAN characters like Adeleine/Ado, it is kinda hard to determine that kind of stuff.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Does the background flip too? Which I'm assuming contains stars and the like, if so then it should count.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yes. The cosmic foam or whatever it's called in the background does flip.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

In 64 there's cars on shiver star too if that means anything.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Then it should be fine Cal.

 

[LordXcano]

Is any information about Kirby's height canon anyways? I mean, with HUMAN characters like Adeleine/Ado, it is kinda hard to determine that kind of stuff.

• Smash Bros, written by Sakurai, says he's 8 inches

• The promo site for Kirby 64 says he's 8 inches

• Kirby in the anime is shown as being 8 inches

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

But he isn't 8 inches in Smash Bros or else Solid Snake is like, 20 inches.

And he isn't 8 inches in the game as evidenced by the human characters.

 

[LordXcano]

1. Super Smash Bros. is literally a bunch of toys/trophies fighting each other and canonically has the scale screwed to high heaven

2. I would rather take that as just artstyle done for convenience rather than ignore consistent statements and showings from the creator

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

1. Not really, pretty sure it has versions of the characters rather than toys.

2. Shouldn't we go by what's shown rather than by what's said?

 

[LordXcano]

1. They are toys. Want Melee? They're trophies. Brawl? Same thing.

2. The one human character has no known height, so what would you be scaling off of anyway? Assumptions? This is a series where the planet is shaped like a literal star. Why is an 8 inch human so hard to believe?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"The one human character has no known height, so what would you be scaling off of anyway"

They are a human, so human height is the most logical assumption. Don't see why the later proves humans are inches tall.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

I'd like to add this as well. The mini-games main purpose is to show "more of what Kirby can do and what the other characters can do outside of the main action game". So Kirby fighting withLandia for 6 times? Only happened to show what Kirby can really do, his superiority towards the dragon.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I really don't see how any of those three opening sequences are meant to be taken literally.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I just made a rough calc for freezing an entire galaxy.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...rs/Energy_required_to_freeze_an_entire_galaxy

I got 4-B.

 

[LordXcano]

"They are a human, so human height is the most logical assumption. Don't see why the later proves humans are inches tall."

We've never seen a canon human in Kirby other than Adeileine. We have no reference for them being normal sized. In fact, we don't even know if Adeleine is human IIRC. She just resembles one.

"I really don't see how any of those three opening sequences are meant to be taken literally."

The last one was the story mode of Brawl.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I just made a rough calc for freezing an entire galaxy.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...rs/Energy_required_to_freeze_an_entire_galaxy

I got 4-B.

Thanks for your help.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Author statements should not take precedence over what the character has actually shown. I guess we'd believe it if Akita Toriyama said "Goku can only lift 20 pounds" three different times?

Large apples are significantly smaller than Kirby. Humans are only two or three times taller than him. Just because a planet is star-shaped doesn't mean we should throw all logic out the window and assume every single real-world object that we could compare Kirby's size to is scaled down to him.

Regardless, I do encourage that we come to a conclusion on Kirby's height soon, as we're derailing the thread a bit. The point was to upgrade Dark Nebula and Dark Mind, not debate Kirby's height.

 

[LordXcano]

@Arbitrary Kirby isn't much bigger than an apple, sometimes he's even smaller. And, again, we don't know if Adeileine is a human or not.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

In regards to the Brawl story mode, don't see how that proves anything since in the very same scene we have Pit first appearing as his normal self acting on his own, if other characters were all introduced as trophies becoming the characters, maybe you'd have a point.

 

[Cropfist]

Smash is non-canon.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

Smash is non-canon┬▓.

Smash has done MANY mistakes about Kirby franchise in the past. (Also,remember this ?)

And Adeleine clearly IS a human. She's the only human ever show on the series.

"	Adeleine, an aspiring artist, comes to Pop Star to study art but finds herself in the middle of a Dark Matter mess."
— Instruction manual • Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Heck, didn't we get a height comparison of Kirby to Samus in Dream Land 3?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Anyway, Dark Mind. We do see his feats, and he has been shown incorporating levels into his little pocket dimension inside the Dimension mirror.

Also, is it possible to calc filling the same galactic space with plasma/electricity?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

About the freezing a galaxy calc; wouldn't the amount of space between each star need to be accounted for? On top of that, not all stars are the same size or the same temperature. And of course; there's a whole bunch of planets, asteroids, comets, ect that need to be including. Freezing a galaxy sounds like it might be much higher that 4-B, I'm pretty positive it would at least be 4-A. Anyway, I'm all for Kirby being upgraded to 3-C, but I'd prefer to see more proof on the matter.

 

[Eficiente]

He's confirmed to be 20cm is his profile in the Kirby 20th Anniversary Encyclopedia and this official website (we could copy some things from that by the way, "Bright and innocent" clarifies the contradiction of his intellect).

(I'm not sure if this is useful, but it is worth to mention The theme of Candy Constellation is called "Space and Cosmos Area" in Japanese being Õ«çÕ«ÖÒé¿Òâ¬Òéó (Õ«çÕ«Ö=universe;ÔÇëcosmos;ÔÇëspace)