A very controvsersial AP upgrade thread for Dragon Ball

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

As established in previous threads, the worlds of Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball are one and the same, and that the canons of the Dr. Slump anime and manga are the as well, with the establishment that the Earth and the Solar System is much larger than our own.

This thread will be used to look at feats in the manga within each arc, and apply the size of Dr. Slump's Earth to them, and we will look at them for each arc

Saiyan Arc:

A calc has already been made for destroying the Earth, which has been put at 2.2321527479677E+47 J or 4-B, which would apply to Vegeta

I personally created my own blog for these calculations, and I had found the GBE of the Moon at 1.23342593094513E+44 J or High 4-C+, this applies to Muten Roshi, King Piccolo, 23rd Budokai and beginning of Saiyan arc Piccolo Junior, Post Choshinsui and 23rd and Beginning of Saiyan arc Goku

Since we see that Nappa, who has a power level of 4000, can one shot Tenshinhan with his strength, who had a power level of 1830, a 7.5X considered a one-shot by our standards, which means for every power from 200 up until 10,000, wecan apply this multplier:

7.5*1830/4000 = 3.43125

1.23342593094513E+44*X/200*3.43125

X is Power level

I'm using 200 because that's a reasonable ball park for Moon busting that's just below Piccolo Daimao's power level of 260

Master Roshi MAX Power Kamehameha - 200 = 1.23342593094513E+44 J High 4-C+

Also makes Roshi's beam speed at 9.81924172309706E+08c or Massively FTL+

Piccolo Daimao & Goku - 260 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(260/200)*3.43125 = 5.50185054322212E+44 J High 4-C+

Saiyan arc

Goku (w/weights) - 334 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(334/200)*3.43125 = 7.06776185167764E+44 J High 4-C+

Goku - 416 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(416/200)*3.43125 = 8.80296086915539E+44 J High 4-C+

Piccolo Jr. (w/weights) - 322 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(322/200)*3.43125 = 6.81383028814431E+44 J High 4-C+

Piccolo Jr. - 408 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(408/200)*3.43125 = 8.63367316013317E+44 J High 4-C+

Piccolo Jr. (Makankosappo) - 1330= 1.23342593094513E+44*(1330/200)*3.43125 = 2.81440816249439E+45 J 4-B

Raditz & Saibamen - 1200 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(1200/200)*3.43125 = 2.53931563533328E+45 J 4-B

Gohan - 710 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(710/200)*3.43125 = 1.50242841757219E+45 J High 4-C+

Gohan (enraged) - 1307 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(1307/200)*3.43125 = 2.76573794615050E+45 J 4-B

Piccolo - 3500 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(3500/200)*3.43125 = 7.40633726972208E+45 J 4-B

Kuririn - 1770 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(1770/200)*3.43125 = 3.74549056211659E+45 J 4-B

Tenshinhan - 1830 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(1830/200)*3.43125 = 3.87245634388326E+45 J 4-B

Yamucha - 1480 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(1480/200)*3.43125 = 3.13182261691105E+45 J 4-B

Gohan - 981 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(981/200)*3.43125 = 2.07589053188496E+45 J High 4-C+

Gohan (Masenko) - 2800 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(2800/200)*3.43125 = 5.92506981577767E+45 J 4-B

Yajirobe - 970 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(970/200)*3.43125 = 2.05261347189440E+45 J High 4-C+

Chaozu - 610 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(610/200)*3.43125 = 1.29081878129442E+45 J High 4-C+

Nappa - 4000 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(4000/200)*3.43125 = 8.46438545111095E+45 J 4-B

Goku (Post-North Kai Training) - 8000 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(8000/200)*3.43125 = 1.69287709022219E+46 J 4-B

Vegeta - 18000 = 2.2321527479677E+47 J 4-B

For power levels between 8000 and 18000 we will using this linear equation: Y = 2.06286503894547E+43x-1.48100432213416E+47

Goku (Kai-O Ken) - 16000 (Kaio-ken doubles your power) = 1.81957974017860E+47 J

Goku (Kai-O Ken x2) - 32000 = 5.12016380249136E+47 J 4-B

Goku (Kai-O Ken x3) - 48000 = 8.42074786480412E+47 J 4-B

Kai-O Ken x3 Kamehameha & Galick Gun - 106615.3846 (Goku's power level with Kamehameha is 924, I'm just applying that multipler between his base and kamehameha to here) = 2.05123106315461E+48 J 4-B

Kai-O Ken x4 Kamehameha - 142153.8462 = 2.78434156161061E+48 J 4-B

Oozaru Vegeta - 180000 = 3.56505663788844E+48 J 4-B

Freeza Arc:

For Planet Vegeta's destruction I ended up values that vary from 4-B (1.46977206217196E+50 J) to 4-B+ (7.76211192717083E+56 J or 3.77697920331626E+55 J) to 4-A (6.48849192932484E+58 J to 3.15724628913947E+57 J), for now though until a value is choose I will use the 4-B value for Freeza's 530000

For power levels greater than 18000 and less than or equal to 250000, this will be used as Vegeta (at 24000) one shot Cui (at 18000):

2.23215274796769E+47*X/18000*24/18*7.5

Gohan and Kuririn (Beginning of Freeza arc) - 1500 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(1500/200)*3.43125 = 3.17414454416661E+45 J

Vegeta - 24000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*24000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 2.97620366395693E+48 J 4-B

Dodoria - 22000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*22000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 2.72818669196051E+48 J 4-B

Zarbon - 23000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*23000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 2.85219517795872E+48 J 4-B

Ginyu - 120000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*120000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 1.48810183197846E+49 J 4-B

Gohan (Guru Power-Up) - 14000 =1.23342593094513E+44*(14000/200)*3.43125 = 2.96253490788883E+46 J 4-B

Goku - 90000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*90000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 1.11607637398385E+49 J 4-B

Kuririn (Guru Power-Up) - 13000 = 1.23342593094513E+44*(13000/200)*3.43125 = 1.61211031797667E+48 J 4-B

Nail - 42000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*42000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 5.20835641192462E+48 J 4-B

Vegeta (Recoome fight) - 30000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*30000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 3.72025457994616E+48 J 4-B

Vegeta (post Recoome fight) - 250000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*250000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 3.10021214995513E+49 J 4-B

Kuririn (Frieza fight) - 75000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*75000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 9.30063644986539E+48 J 4-B

Gohan (Freeza fight) - 200000 = 2.23215274796769E+47*200000/18000*24/18*7.5 = 2.48016971996410E+49 J 4-B

For power levels between 250000 and 150000000 we will using this linear equation: Y = 4.14196731134447E+44x-7.25470612840604E+49

Freeza (First Form) 530000 = 1.46977206217196E+50 J 4-B

Freeza (Second Form) 1000000 = 3.41649669850386E+50 J 4-B

Freeza (Final Form) 50% 60000000 = 2.47792568067827E+52 J 4-B+

Freeza (Final Form) 100% 120000000 = 4.96310606748495E+52 J 4-B+

Goku 3000000 = 1.17004313211928E+51 J 4-B

Goku Kai-O Ken x10 60000000 = 2.47792568067827E+52 J 4-B+

Goku Kai-O Ken x20 120000000 = 4.96310606748495E+52 J 4-B+

Super Saiyan Goku 150000000 = 6.20569626088829E+52 J 4-B+

Cell Arc and Beyond:

I'll only cover Cell destroying the Solar System because there aren't any canonical power levels provided, and it's simply better to use this thread to figure how far into 4-B+ or 4-A characters are

I had arrived at multiple values for Cell's feat depending upon how big the explosion is, I will provide each below:

Dragon Ball AU = sqrt(G*M1*M2/F) = sqrt(6.6743E-11 * 1.78777972776186E+40 * 5.95087184990133E+34 / 4.35736327099347E+20) = 1.27720246092128E+22

Dragon Ball Neptune to Sun distance = 30*1.27720246092128E+22 = 3.83160738276383E+23 m

Dragon Ball Sun to Kuiper Belt distance = 50*1.27720246092128E+22 = 6.38601230460639E+23 m

Dragon Ball Oort Cloud start to Sun distance = 2000*1.27720246092128E+22 = 7.66321476552767E+26 m

Dragon Ball Oort Cloud end to Sun distance = 100000*1.27720246092128E+22 = 6.38601230460639E+28 m

Cell Destroys Solar System from Sun to Earth = 4*U*(Er/Br)^2 = 4 * 1.84150796392991E+56 * (1.27720246092128E+22/6.95042544848758E+13)^2 = 2.41474187955167E+57 J (4-A)

Cell Destroys Solar System from Sun to Neptune = 4*U*(Er/Br)^2 = 4 * 1.84150796392991E+56 * (3.83160738276383E+23/6.95042544848758E+13)^2 = 2.17326769159650E+60 J (4-A)

Cell Destroys Solar System from Sun to Edge of Kuiper Belt = 4*U*(Er/Br)^2 = 4 * 1.84150796392991E+56 * (6.38601230460639E+23/6.95042544848758E+13)^2 = 6.03685469887917E+60 J (4-A)

Cell Destroys Solar System from Sun to Near Edge of Oort Cloud = 4*U*(Er/Br)^2 = 4 * 1.84150796392991E+56 * (7.66321476552767E+26/6.95042544848758E+13)^2 = 8.69307076638600E+66 J (3-C)

Cell Destroys Solar System from Sun to Far Edge of Oort Cloud = 4*U*(Er/Br)^2 = 4 * 1.84150796392991E+56 * (6.38601230460639E+28/6.95042544848758E+13)^2 = 6.03685469887917E+70 J (3-B)

I will allow everyone in the thread to discuss which value should be used, but as for my own input I consider Cell Destroying the Solar System from Sun to Neptune to be the most conservative since he clearly states he's destroy the entire Solar System and not simply everything from the Sun to Earth

 

[ShakeResounding]

Since we see that Nappa, who has a power level of 4000, can one shot Tenshinhan with his strength, who had a power level of 1830, a 7.5X considered a one-shot by our standards, which means for every power from 200 up until 10,000, wecan apply this multplier:

We can't use a 7.5x multiplier in-verse to apply scaling chains using one-shots, it's solely for the context of versus matches.

 

[Damage3245]

Is there any evidence from the Dragon Ball manga itself that the Earth is 4 billion km in circumference?

Because Toriyama stated in an interview that the distance between the Earth and the Moon is around 380,000 km which lines up with the distance IRL; I believe we're meant to take the Moon and the Earth in Dragon Ball as being about the size of our IRL Moon and Earth.

 

[Kroneii1]

neutral for now

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I'm 100% sure we established before that Dr. Slump shenanigans don't scale to canon Dragon Ball.

 

[Qawsedf234]

This thread will be used to look at feats in the manga within each arc, and apply the size of Dr. Slump's Earth to them, and we will look at them for each arc

100% we shouldn't use a one off line from an anime adaption of a manga to upgrade characters vastly beyond every showing they've done until Toei Majin Buu/Super/GT.

In addition the Dragon Ball manga gives an explicit distance between the Earth and Moon and its just the IRL one.

Since we see that Nappa, who has a power level of 4000, can one shot Tenshinhan with his strength, who had a power level of 1830, a 7.5X considered a one-shot by our standards, which means for every power from 200 up until 10,000, wecan apply this multplier:

That's against the rules

This gap is strictly for versus debating purposes, and will not apply when attempting to derive the attack potency of a character based on a feat of one-shotting another character in his or her verse.

 

[Deagonx]

What episode is the quote from?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Is there any evidence from the Dragon Ball manga itself that the Earth is 4 billion km in circumference?

Because Toriyama stated in an interview that the distance between the Earth and the Moon is around 380,000 km which lines up with the distance IRL; I believe we're meant to take the Moon and the Earth in Dragon Ball as being about the size of our IRL Moon and Earth.

Was there really anything like that?

 

[Ss3micah]

No
Just no
We already discussed this in prior threads that Dr. Slump mechanics and cosmology systems should never scale to Canon DB because with DB world as a whole has been displayed as having a consistent cosmology based on real life applications while Dr. Slump gives zero f### for consistency and the verse as a whole has wacky mechanics structures in place that makes accurately scaling it to DB not feasible

Especially when it would start creating inconsistencies in overall AP

 

[Lonkitt]

A) This is literally using anime material for a manga upgrade. We separate the canon from Toei on the wiki
B) You're using calcs that haven't even been approved of
C) You're incorrectly using power levels from the manga and show for multipliers
D) The Slump stuff is VEEEEEERRRRY questionable for how it even scales here

Yeah, this is gonna get a hard disagree from me

 

[CloverDragon03]

Yeah, uh… No

Disagree for Lonkitt’s reasons

 

[Confluctor]

There should be no such scaling between DB and Dr Slump - it just doesn't work or fit properly. Thought that was made clear all the way at the start of 2022 or so when it was going through revamps.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Was there really anything like that?

It's in the manga

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What episode is the quote from?

Which do you claim? Arale showing up and stuff?

If so, she appears in episode 69 and the episode in which Dr slump's fly appears is 70

 

[Deagonx]

Which do you claim? Arale showing up and stuff?

If so, she appears in episode 69 and the episode in which Dr slump's fly appears is 70

No, this quote about the earth being 4m km long. I can't find any references to it outside this forum.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It's in the manga

Fair enough, I sign below to disagree too.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No, this quote about the earth being 4m km long. I can't find any references to it outside this forum.

It must be from Dr slump, bro, the anime is very old and I also can't find any information about it here

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Disagree with this FRA.

 

[Qawsedf234]

It must be from Dr slump, bro, the anime is very old and I also can't find any information about it here

Dr Slump has 243 episodes. That's like asking for a source about the Naruto anime and saying "Idk somewhere in it".

Deagon is right that even if accepted the episode number would have to be known.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Dr Slump has 243 episodes. That's like asking for a source about the Naruto anime and saying "Idk somewhere in it".

Deagon is right that even if accepted the episode number would have to be known.

Really, but it's not worth much, given the so much disagreement about it, apart from the fact that the world of Dr slump doesn't increase DB, it's just an employee for Dr slump's scale.

 

[Deagonx]

Right but are Dr. Slump profiles indexed based on this? If so we should determine what episode it is.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Right but are Dr. Slump profiles indexed based on this? If so we should determine what episode it is.

I don't know how to tell you, @Ss3micah scale Dr slump's profiles and tidiness is up to her.

 

[Deagonx]

Yeah I've asked Ss3micah. She said she knows the episode number but hasn't told me yet.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I don't think we should scale an entire series to a one-off joke from another series.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't think we should scale an entire series to a one-off joke from another series.

We don't use it at all, bro, we just scale Dr slump above DBS and not the other way around.

 

[Blunt_Claw]

Disagree FRA.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I am fairly sure we even had a note somewhere in our Dr. Slump profiles saying we don't take that DB uses the same Earth as them, as they contradict each other despite being firmly canon.

So yeah, disagree

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Doesn't Dr. Slump also have a more "real life" earth setting while in DB their earth is drastically different.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

100% we shouldn't use a one off line from an anime adaption of a manga to upgrade characters vastly beyond every showing they've done until Toei Majin Buu/Super/GT.

Toei Namek Saga is 4-A

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Toei Namek Saga is 4-A

yeah, from an actual feat, cuz toei liked to wank these peeps a lot

 

[Lonkitt]

Toei Namek Saga is 4-A

Which comes from an actual feat, approved calc, and doesn’t pull from alternate or faulty sources. Unlike the proposal for this thread

 

[Ss3micah]

I’m honestly surprised how the OP convinced themselves this would work…
I mean… your taking a statement and scan from literally the most inconsistent and blatantly plus purposefully ridiculous side of Dragon Ball and trying to apply at as a consistent value for Canon DB and it’s consistent setting…

I’m legit surprised how they convinced themselves this would work

Anyways this thread has clearly reached its consensus so I believe I can move this to all purpose threads to get it closed now

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah I'm closing this