A Quincy battles a Demigod: Kratos vs Yhwach (1-2-7) (GRACE)

[Planck69]

What's the exact range for Kratos's wincons?

Just wanna know before stating my full opinion (leaning Yhwach currently)

Hundreds of meters with most magics but Zeus' Fury can reach far greater ranges. His Amulet of Uroborous affects the entire world with its time abilities. His Soul of Hades can send Yhwach to another space-time continuum.

 

[Hellscream]

Bleach characters have dimensional travel, and afaik, kratos only resists energy absorption
Yhwach has all types of absorption, so im leaning towards Yhwach

 

[Planck69]

Bleach characters have dimensional travel, and afaik, kratos only resists energy absorption
Yhwach has all types of absorption, so im leaning towards Yhwach

It only covers Interdimensional range as far as I can gather. Kratos' BFR is Low Multiversal.

 

[KLOL506]

Bleach characters have dimensional travel, and afaik, kratos only resists energy absorption

He resists Life Absorption and Power Absorption as well, courtesy of the Arms of Hades.

 

[Hellscream]

He resists Life Absorption and Power Absorption as well, courtesy of the Arms of Hades.

Are you talking about this?

Gyazo

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[KLOL506]

Are you talking about this?

Gyazo

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Aye. They can absorb magic too on contact.

 

[Hellscream]

Aye. They can absorb magic too on contact.

I don't see how that's power absorption

 

[KLOL506]

That and Tartarus Magic is infused with the Souls of Hades.

 

[KLOL506]

I don't see how that's power absorption

Tartarus Energy saps away powers and magic both, absorption of souls makes its wielders stronger.

 

[Hellscream]

Tartarus Energy saps away powers and magic both, absorption of souls makes its wielders stronger.

Do you have proof of it sapping away powers, instead of just magic?
With what i've seen so far, it's just energy absorption

 

[KLOL506]

Do you have proof of it sapping away powers, instead of just magic?

Yes, just read Hades' profile and you'll find it. Better yet, just look up Sacrificial Soul and the River Styx.

 

[Hellscream]

Magic Absorption (The souls of the Underworld he can summon are able to drain people of their magic reserves and strip them of their magical abilities[27])

This is energy absorption, not power absorption though

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah. That. Kratos also has Power Absorption by himself with his own bare hands, as seen when he killed the Persian and took his Ifreet, and when he killed all the Innocent Souls barehanded and took back all his magical powers for himself, ashes included.

 

[Hellscream]

Magic Absorption (The souls of the Underworld he can summon are able to drain people of their magic reserves and strip them of their magical abilities[27])

This is energy absorption, not power absorption though

And he was affected by it, he didn't resist it

 

[Scottycj256]

But Yhwach can do power absorption without having to actually engage Kratos in hand to hand combat

EDIT: Misread KLOL's message

 

[KLOL506]

Magic Absorption (The souls of the Underworld he can summon are able to drain people of their magic reserves and strip them of their magical abilities[27])

This is energy absorption, not power absorption though

No, it isn't just energy absorption, Kratos legit no longer had any magical abilities to rely upon. Anything soul-related directly relates to power.

And he was affected by it, he didn't resist it

GoW3 Beginning Kratos. He wasn't affected the first time around in Chains of Olympus as a Demigod when Charon dropped his ass into the Styx.

 

[Hellscream]

It literally shows his mana bar being drained, no mana = no abilities

 

[KLOL506]

It literally shows his mana bar being drained, no mana = no abilities

His entire magic bar just vanishes from his screen, magic orbs wouldn't do him any good if the magic bar is inaccessible to begin with.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

It literally shows his mana bar being drained, no mana = no abilities

You are just fixating on game mechanics presentation.

 

[Hellscream]

Not really, there's a specific category for this for a reason, it's literally the definition of energy absorption

• Energy Absorption: The user can absorb energy from their surroundings and/or from others, draining them of their power and becoming stronger in the process. High-level applications of this ability can completely nullify energy attacks by absorbing them, drain opponents of all of their strength in moments, and drain energy from their surroundings on a massive scale. The specifics of what energy the user can absorb vary from individual to individual.

 

[KLOL506]

Not really, there's a specific category for this for a reason, it's literally the definition of energy absorption

• Energy Absorption: The user can absorb energy from their surroundings and/or from others, draining them of their power and becoming stronger in the process. High-level applications of this ability can completely nullify energy attacks by absorbing them, drain opponents of all of their strength in moments, and drain energy from their surroundings on a massive scale. The specifics of what energy the user can absorb vary from individual to individual.

It completely negged Kratos's ability to use Magic at all, until Athena came in and game him the Blades of Exile.

 

[Hellscream]

It completely negged Kratos's ability to use Magic at all, until Athena came in and game him the Blades of Exile.

Yes, which is the definition of energy absorption

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yes, which is the definition of energy absorption

Draining energy =\= taking away the ability completely.

 

[Planck69]

Yes, which is the definition of energy absorption

....No, it isn't. Taking away one's ability to use their magic or power isn't the same as just setting the reservoir to empty.


Also, speaking generally, people realize that there's more than one way for Kratos to deal with this? Like, slowing down time to a crawl?

 

[Hellscream]

You guys are making stuff up, it never made the mana bar disappear it was just shown to be empty. which is what power absorption does

Gyazo

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His mana / magic was simply absorbed, this isn't power absorption..
It didn't take away his mana completely, it just emptied his mana bar

 

[KLOL506]

You guys are making stuff up, it never made the mana bar disappear it was just shown to be empty.

Gyazo

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His mana / magic was simply absorbed, this isn't power absorption..
It didn't take awa his mana completely, it just emptied his mana bar

That's not emptying the magic bar, that's the magic bar being nullified completely. Empty Magic Bar has the marker even further out and it's darker. Only one making shit up here is you.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Who are you trying to fool Hellscream? Lmfao

 

[Planck69]

You guys are making stuff up, it never made the mana bar disappear it was just shown to be empty. which is what power absorption does

Gyazo

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His mana / magic was simply absorbed, this isn't power absorption..
It didn't take away his mana completely, it just emptied his mana bar

Can we not misconstrue basic information that can be corrected with a YouTube video? His magic bar was gone completely, not emptied.

 

[KLOL506]

This is what the Magic Bar looks like when emptied. It's completely black but its limiting marker is still to the far right (Still refillable BTW with Magic Orbs), instead of your screenshot's far left where the magic meter is completely null. Keep coping harder.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

 

[KLOL506]

As y'all can see, there is no black empty magic bar that can be refilled, the magic bar limiting marker shifts completely to the left, nullifying his ability to use magic altogether.

 

[KLOL506]

Also, Amulet of Uroboros.

 

[Hellscream]

Btw, that vid isn't that from GoW Kratos, as opposed to demigod kratos??

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

So there's Clairvoyance and Info Analysis for Kratos, and he leads with appropriate hax for this situation.
Amulet time manip, Posiedon's Rage, Tartarus no Jutsu, Kage Bushing No Jutsu and Tele-substitution,
Attack Reflection with Helios Sheild, which has 2C dura btw.

 

[Hellscream]

Also, can someone show me where he resisted the absorption of the Styx?
He didn't resist it in chains of olympus, he died against Charon and was sent to the underworld afaik

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I vote for Kratos due to better hax versitility and better skills and tactics.

Also, can someone show me where he resisted the absorption of the Styx?

Why don't you check profile?

 

[KLOL506]

Also, can someone show me where he resisted the absorption of the Styx?
He didn't resist it in chains of olympus, he died against Charon and was sent to the underworld afaik

Charon dumped his ass into the Styx, which would've powernulled him regardless. It doesn't, and Kratos comes back to life, all his magic and weapons intact.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I vote for Kratos due to better hax versitility and better skills and tactics.

Add my vote btw.

 

[Hellscream]

Charon dumped his ass into the Styx, which would've powernulled him regardless. It doesn't, and Kratos comes back to life, all his magic and weapons intact.

Except for that Kratos died to charon, which makes this point irrelevant

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Except for that Kratos died to charon, which makes this point irrelevant

Literal nothing burger