Quincy King vs Spartan Demigod: Yhwach vs Kratos REMATCH (GRACE)

[Planck69]

Kratos and Yhwach cross paths yet again, stronger than ever. This time they settle the score once and for all.

Soul King Absorbed Yhwach and Demigod Kratos (4-A end) are used. Speed is equalized. Otherwise SBA.

Son of the Soul King: 0

Son of the God King: 9 (CodeCCLL, Doggo, KLOL506, chosen, MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer, Dragonite007, azontr, Noneless21, Popted2)

Inconclusive: 0

 

[KLOL506]

Oh god. This is gonna be a bloodbath.

I can't vote without wincons from both sides. You did this Planck, you're on your own LOL

 

[Noneless21]

My honest reaction to this match

 

[KLOL506]

My honest reaction to this match

Same.

 

[Noneless21]

Same.

Welp, enjoy your quiet storm until it last, imma follow this

 

[chosen]

Following

 

[KLOL506]

Bump

 

[Planck69]

Bump

 

[Larssx]

What can Kratos do against Yhwach's 4D Fate manip?

 

[Planck69]

What can Kratos do against Yhwach's 4D Fate manip?

He resists it. More than half his resistances are 4-D rn.

 

[Larssx]

He resists it. More than half his resistances are 4-D rn.

How Kratos is resisting fate manip in 4-A Key I guess I didn't see it
So is there sealing resistance?
Also, Yhwach can see with Almighty any attack of Kratos

 

[KLOL506]

How Kratos is resisting fate manip in 4-A Key I guess I didn't see it

Sisters of Fate.

 

[Larssx]

Sisters of Fate.

I saw now
Well what can Kratos do against Sealing? Yhwach can read all of Kratos attacks with his almighty and seal him after dodging.

 

[Maitreya12]

Planck….you’re a mad lad you know that right

Is Yhwach given all his lettered Quincy abilities here as well or not in this fight?

 

[KLOL506]

I saw now
Well what can Kratos do against Sealing? Yhwach can read all of Kratos attacks with his almighty and seal him after dodging.

Kratos can also read Yhwach's intentions instantaneously with a mere glance and immediately go for his best hax. Not saying who wins here, since this is Planck's job now.

 

[Planck69]

Planck….you’re a mad lad you know that right

Is Yhwach given all his lettered Quincy abilities here as well or not in this fight?

Yeah. From what I recall, he's never used em but like, Bleach fans can cook up the oddest angles for him.

 

[Planck69]

I saw now
Well what can Kratos do against Sealing? Yhwach can read all of Kratos attacks with his almighty and seal him after dodging.

He resists precognition from the Sisters of Fate. And how does the Sealing work? Kratos can understand the power level and abilities of his opponents by observing them once.

 

[Planck69]

Bump

 

[chosen]

Bump

Not on Anyone side atm but from profile
"Yhwach can create a barrier with a seal to contain threats such as Gremmy Thoumeaux "
"Yhwach can utilize a beam of darkness to seal off entire areas such as the Sereitei "

He has a third sealing ability but Just check This profile https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Quilge_Opie

For how sealing works btw

 

[Planck69]

I see. Kratos can't just blast out of them or replace himself with a clone for all of those though? Especially given he has the Light of Dawn to deal with the darkness, the Oath Stone to deal with The Jail and can just undo the first sealing feat via rewinding it away.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yhwach can read all of Kratos attacks with his almighty and seal him after dodging.

Kratos has skill in dealing with people with busted Clairvoyance like Gemini Brothers, he also evolved resistance to it.

 

[chosen]

I see. Kratos can't just blast out of them or replace himself with a clone for all of those though? Especially given he has the Light of Dawn to deal with the darkness, the Oath Stone to deal with The Jail and can just undo the first sealing feat via rewinding it away.

Idk if the clones replace would exactly work since not even dimensional travel helped Ichigo, tho busting should work on jail
Not so sure on the black bs tho

 

[Planck69]

Idk if the clones replace would exactly work since not even dimensional travel helped Ichigo, tho busting should work on jail
Not so sure on the black bs tho

He'd replace himself right before being captured by it rather than afterwards.

Does the darkness even have any special properties?

 

[Maitreya12]

Does the darkness even have any special properties?

I’m pretty sure it has things like 4-D absorption upon contact and stuff of that nature.

 

[Planck69]

I’m pretty sure it has things like 4-D absorption upon contact and stuff of that nature.

Ah, Kratos' Power Null via Tartarus Energy should deal with that.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Both Energy of Tartarus or Zeus lightning should nullify it. Oruborus amulet should just rewind it or Eyes of Truth will negate it.

 

[LordGinSama]

Sounds like spite.



Anyway Vash solos both verses.


unfollows thread and leaves.

 

[Deceived3596]

What exactly are Kratos's counters to The Almighty?

 

[Planck69]

What exactly are Kratos's counters to The Almighty?

He resists 4-D Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Precognition etc.

 

[Deceived3596]

Is the Precognition resistance layered or nah, alongside everything else?

 

[Planck69]

Is the Precognition resistance layered or nah, alongside everything else?

Not particularly but it works on 4-dimensional Type 4 Acausals. And Kratos' RE would allow him to adapt to it anyway.

 

[RedReaper]

Is the Precognition resistance layered or nah, alongside everything else?

I don't believe it's layered, but Almighty isn't layered either, so it doesn't need to be.

 

[Deceived3596]

Don't exactly see how just because he resisted the precognitive abilities of people who are 4-D, and have Type 4 Acausality, that would mean anything to the potency of his resistance, unless said people are capable of seeing other 4-D, and Type 4 Acausal entities, similar to themselves, but are incapable of seeing Kratos's future or sumshit like that.

How exactly would Kratos's Reactive Evolution help him against Precognition?, does he have feats of this?

Edit: @RedReaper The Precognitive effect of The Almighty is layered since Yhwach is capable of seeing his infinite possible futures despite the fact he absorbed the precognitive resistance of The Mimihagi, who resisted Yhwach's previous attempt to read his futures.

 

[Planck69]

Don't exactly see how just because he resisted the precognitive abilities of people who are 4-D, and have Type 4 Acausality, that would mean anything to the potency of his resistance, unless said people are capable of seeing other 4-D, and Type 4 Acausal entities similar to themselves, but are incapable of seeing Kratos's future or sumshit like that.

....That is what I meant. The Sister of Fate can affect 4-D Type 4 Acausals, Type 1 Abstracts of Type 1 concepts, entire realities etc. but Kratos negs their control utterly.

How exactly would Kratos's Reactive Evolution help him against Precognition?, does he have feats of this?

Yes. That's how he got his 4-D resistance to it lol. Heck, he evolved against clairvoyance and precognition in the same fight with Castor and Pollux as well.

Edit: @RedReaper The Precognitive effect of The Almighty is layered since Yhwach is capable of seeing his infinite possible futures despite the fact he absorbed the precognitive resistance of The Mimihagi, who resisted Yhwach's previous attempt to read his futures.

Unless Mimihagi was 4-D, this wouldn't really be another layer. Even then, Kratos' resistance is to superior precog.

Edit: And by this logic, Kratos' resistances are layered too, since the Sisters could initially control his fate and see his future before he evolved against them and he already had evolved against the Precognition of the Amulet of Uroborous.

 

[Deceived3596]

....That is what I meant. The Sister of Fate can affect 4-D Type 4 Acausals, Type 1 Abstracts of Type 1 concepts, entire realities etc. but Kratos negs their control utterly.

Imma do a little gooning rn:

The abstract and concept shit doesn't really matter to one's precognitive ability nor resistance, so the inclusion of those seem a little unneeded tbh, but why would resisting the precognitive effects of people who are capable of seeing the future of those who are bounded by a different casual system would in any way increase Kratos's resistance to precognition against someone who isn't capable of seeing the futures of those who abide by different casual systems, but rather works on a layered, 4-D level?.

I don't really see how affecting someone with Type 4 Acasuality would innately place your ability/resistance above someone who isn't capable of doing such, but has deeper layers, when examining a fight between two characters who are bounded by the same casual system.

Yes. That's how he got his 4-D resistance to it lol. Heck, he evolved against clairvoyance and precognition in the same fight with Castor and Pollux as well.

Do you have a scan of this by any-chance?

Unless Mimihagi was 4-D, this wouldn't really be another layer. Even then, Kratos' resistance is to superior precog.

Their resistance to precognition was, and is accepted to be 4-D, since it's capable of resisting Yhwach's previous attempts to see its future, and Yhwach's Almighty is capable of seeing a 2-A amount of possible future timelines.

 

[Planck69]

Imma do a little gooning rn:

The abstract and concept shit doesn't really matter to one's precognitive ability nor resistance, so the inclusion of those seem a little unneeded tbh, but why would resisting the precognitive effects of people who are capable of seeing the future of those who are bounded by a different casual system would in any way increase Kratos's resistance to precognition against someone who isn't capable of seeing the futures of those who abide by different casual systems, but rather works on a layered, 4-D level?.

I don't really see how affecting someone with Type 4 Acasuality would innately place your ability/resistance above someone who isn't capable of doing such, but has deeper layers, when examining a fight between two characters who are bounded by the same casual system.

You're capable of seeing not only the future but also that of a different flow of causality entirely. That's a fair bit more impressive than the standard. Layers are ultimately just bypassing blocks to your precognition while the latter fundamentallky allows you to see futures that would be impossible normally. Unless you have issue with how the site generally treats Type 4 Acausality and its base unconventional resistance.

Do you have a scan of this by any-chance?

..... Its his Reactive Evolution justification lol.

Their resistance to precognition was, and is accepted to be 4-D, since it's capable of resisting Yhwach's previous attempts to see its future, and Yhwach's Almighty is capable of seeing a 2-A amount of possible future timelines.

Noted I suppose.

Though, it's not as though it matters since Kratos can just evolve against it anyway.

 

[Planck69]

Having to argue your own thread is mad sad. Y'all GoW supporters are cowards.

 

[Georredannea15]

I feel... A lot of blood will be spilled in this debate.

 

[KLOL506]

Having to argue your own thread is mad sad. Y'all GoW supporters are cowards.

I take no chances, especially when your own countrymen are traitors planning to upgrade your guy to something he shouldn't be, plus you do better essays than I ever could

 

[Planck69]

I feel... A lot of blood will be spilled in this debate.

Eh, Hellscream was really the most problematic at the time and he's banned.

Deceived is pretty chill regardless. This should be fine.