A little bit of Bleach talk

[Myxenete]

Toshiro only has passive Temperature manipulation despite the fact it comes from his reiatsu and if you need any further evidence the Honey Dish Rhapsody just blatantly shows us that he can do it consciously



Grimmjow, Nelliel and Harribel have unjustifiable scaling, Harribel blatantly puts HM fight Hikone on the same level as FKT Toshiro and admits she would have likely lost a 1 v 1, why on Earth are they stronger than most post-timeskip captains and Espada ranked above them when statements like this would also prove she hasn't gotten much stronger since the FKT war, the narrator's statement that Grimmjow knows that he'd lose to the likes of Barragan and Ikomikidomoe stating they're below ones such as himself and Barrgan



Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra is overrated, Cien Granz blatantly states that if Yammy, Barragan and Starrk's powers where ever surpassed in Hueco Mundo it'd be by his and Aizen's power, then goes on to clown the idea that he didn't know about Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra so the "no one knew about it" excuse doesn't save Cifer here

 

[Deceived3596]

Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra is overrated, Cien Granz blatantly states that if Yammy, Barragan and Starrk's powers where ever surpassed in Hueco Mundo it'd be by his and Aizen's power, then goes on to clown the idea that he didn't know about Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra so the "no one knew about it" excuse doesn't save Cifer here

@Reio35

 

[Blallooo]

If Hallibel states FKT Toshiro= Hikone then why did she need the assistence of Grimmjow and the femritters to defeat Hikone while she fought equally against toshiro in solo ?

 

[Myxenete]

If Hallibel states FKT Toshiro= Hikone then why did she need the assistence of Grimmjow and the femritters to defeat Hikone while she fought equally against toshiro in solo ?

1. She fought equally for a while and lost without giving Toshiro any significant injuries, the last clear upper hand she had in that fight was when she used her trident technique that surpasses her own combat speed and Toshiro was goading it out of her

2. It's stated Toshiro's reiatsu was fluctuating during FKT and we know for a fact he wasn't all there mentally so he was blatantly incapable of excercising his full power at all times

3. It's not like Hikone performed well in that fight, from what we know he got beat badly and none of the arrancars nor Quincy suffered significant injury, he just escaped because Ikomikidomoe opened a Garganta

 

[Excellence616]

Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra is overrated, Cien Granz blatantly states that if Yammy, Barragan and Starrk's powers where ever surpassed in Hueco Mundo it'd be by his and Aizen's power, then goes on to clown the idea that he didn't know about Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra so the "no one knew about it" excuse doesn't save Cifer here

Non of these characters has ever battle Ichigo apart from Ulquiorra and Yammy

 

[Myxenete]

Non of these characters has ever battle Ichigo apart from Ulquiorra and Yammy

Not battling Ichigo doesn't discount outside statements, especially for someone like coyote who battled Shunsui, who is much stronger than that version of Ichigo

 

[Excellence616]

Not battling Ichigo doesn't discount outside statements, especially for someone like coyote who battled Shunsui, who is much stronger than that version of Ichigo

There is no way Shunsui is stronger than Ichigo.

 

[Myxenete]

There is no way Shunsui is stronger than Ichigo.

Shunsui's able to keep up with Schutzstaffel members, he is absolutely stronger than a version of Ichigo straight out of a struggle with Grimmjow

 

[Reio35]

Toshiro only has passive Temperature manipulation despite the fact it comes from his reiatsu and if you need any further evidence the Honey Dish Rhapsody just blatantly shows us that he can do it consciously



Grimmjow, Nelliel and Harribel have unjustifiable scaling, Harribel blatantly puts HM fight Hikone on the same level as FKT Toshiro and admits she would have likely lost a 1 v 1, why on Earth are they stronger than most post-timeskip captains and Espada ranked above them when statements like this would also prove she hasn't gotten much stronger since the FKT war, the narrator's statement that Grimmjow knows that he'd lose to the likes of Barragan and Ikomikidomoe stating they're below ones such as himself and Barrgan

1.Halibel made this statement in her base form. That just puts toshiro above base halibel at most.

2.Grimmjow said he could have beat hikone if he used his release. So with full power their above this version of hikone,Not that it matters as grimmjow stated hikones power grew many times stronger after that encounter

3. Yeah it is stated grimmjow is below Barrgan which is fine. He should still be above fkt arc halibel at least considering he said he can beat base hikone V1, hikone=toshiro=hailibel fkt arc.

4.They espada also struggled with ikimonkidomi 2nd form which is stated =to barrgan,even while using their release forms.

Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra is overrated, Cien Granz blatantly states that if Yammy, Barragan and Starrk's powers where ever surpassed in Hueco Mundo it'd be by his and Aizen's power, then goes on to clown the idea that he didn't know about Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra so the "no one knew about it" excuse doesn't save Cifer here

Bruhh now your just trying to downplay ulq. He also clowned the idea he didn't know about full hollow ichigo does that mean the top 3 espada are above him? Don't say it doesn't include VL because he said they were stronger then everyone who existed in HM.

The statement doesn't matter because he later says VL ichigo snd SE were the most probably and strongest power she could copy

 

[Myxenete]

1.Halibel made this statement in her base form. That just puts toshiro above base halibel at most.

2.Grimmjow said he could have beat hikone if he used his release. So with full power their above this version of hikone,Not that it matters as grimmjow stated hikones power grew many times stronger after that encounter

3. Yeah it is stated grimmjow is below Barrgan which is fine. He should still be above fkt arc halibel at least considering he said he can beat base hikone V1, hikone=toshiro=hailibel fkt arc.

4.They espada also struggled with ikimonkidomi 2nd form which is stated =to barrgan,even while using their release forms.

Bruhh now your just trying to downplay ulq. He also clowned the idea he didn't know about full hollow ichigo does that mean the top 3 espada are above him? Don't say it doesn't include VL because he said they were stronger then everyone who existed in HM.

The statement doesn't matter because he later says VL ichigo snd SE were the most probably and strongest power she could copy

1. Why on Earth would Harribel not consider her Ressureccion, you think she'd just let herself be defeated in base when that's an option

2. Yes, Grimmjow "Ulquiorra is scared of me" and "I want to fight True Shikai Ichigo" Jaegerjaquez the parragon of objective statements and thinking, Harribel's statement takes prescedent

3. Indulging this that'd at best only make them vaguely superior to FKT Toshiro's possibly 6-B, still not enough justification to put base Grimmjow at high 6-A with adult bankai Toshiro and post royal guard training Byakuya

4, How does anything I've said contradict that

5. Full hollow Ichigo is equal to Cien as said in the novels, the statement was clearly referring to more permanent Hueco Mundo residents not a 1 day visitor

6. When does Cien say that SE is the strongest power she can copy?

 

[Reio35]

1. Why on Earth would Harribel not consider her Ressureccion, you think she'd just let herself be defeated in base when that's an option

Cause she didn't chance to use it. Hikone was pressing them pretty hard

2. Yes, Grimmjow "Ulquiorra is scared of me" and "I want to fight True Shikai Ichigo" Jaegerjaquez the parragon of objective statements and thinking, Harribel's statement takes prescedent

3. Indulging this that'd at best only make them vaguely superior to FKT Toshiro's possibly 6-B, still not enough justification to put base Grimmjow at high 6-A with adult bankai Toshiro and post royal guard training

Habilel in release could fight tishiro pretty easily. Toshiro even had help from 2 vizards and he still couldn't win. So how in the world could halbel lose with 4 more plp around the same level as her?Unless shes only taking into consideration their base forms

4, How does anything I've said contradict that

5. Full hollow Ichigo is equal to Cien as said in the novels, the statement was clearly referring to more permanent Hueco Mundo residents not a 1 day visitor

No it wasn't cien was reffering to all the powers in HM stop with the headcannon

6. When does Cien say that SE is the strongest power she can copy?

SE and Fulll hollow ichigo were stated by cein to be the most likely powers she will copy. Which means their the strongest exceeding the other 3 espada he mentioned

 

[Reio35]

 

[Excellence616]

Shunsui's able to keep up with Schutzstaffel members, he is absolutely stronger than a version of Ichigo straight out of a struggle with Grimmjow

When Ichigo was going to battle Aizen. Ichigo's Bankai clothing can be use to measure his spirit energy, when his cloth is half that means it Is equal to that of a captain (Unohana stated to be equal to her own when his cloth was half) and assuming Ichigo cloth was complete meaning he already surpass Unohana and Shunsui. And Ichigo battled Ulquiorra at full clothing and lost.

 

[Myxenete]

Cause she didn't chance to use it. Hikone was pressing them pretty hard

Habilel in release could fight tishiro pretty easily. Toshiro even had help from 2 vizards and he still couldn't win. So how in the world could halbel lose with 4 more plp around the same level as her?Unless shes only taking into consideration their base forms

No it wasn't cien was reffering to all the powers in HM stop with the headcannon

SE and Fulll hollow ichigo were stated by cein to be the most likely powers she will copy. Which means their the strongest exceeding the other 3 espada he mentioned

1. You're horribly miscontruing that fight, Harribel had a pretty clear back and forth with Tier being on the offensive a little more often, with an FKT Toshiro whose reiatsu was fluctuating because of his mental state and Toshiro still blatantly bowed her out the moment Tenso Jurin came into play.

2. She battled a Shikai Toshiro who had expended large amounts of energy on Hyoten Hyakkaso and 2 vizards whose latest scaling prior to that is to the Ichigo that was struggling with Grimmjow

3. Once again indulging the idea that she was only talking about base and saying they're stronger than that version of Hikone in Ressureccion still wouldn't justify them at high 6-A, high 6-B would still be a stretch for their Ressureccion scaling off FKT Toshiro's only possibly 6-B, talkless of the fact they're aparently as strong as adult Toshiro in base and yet can't defeat an FKT level Toshiro opponent in base

 

[AnonymousBlank]

When Ichigo was going to battle Aizen. Ichigo's Bankai clothing can be use to measure his spirit energy, when his cloth is half that means it Is equal to that of a captain (Unohana stated to be equal to her own when his cloth was half) and assuming Ichigo cloth was complete meaning he already surpass Unohana and Shunsui. And Ichigo battled Ulquiorra at full clothing and lost.

The Ichigo that fights Ulq is different from the one that Unohana makes that statement for.

 

[Myxenete]

When Ichigo was going to battle Aizen. Ichigo's Bankai clothing can be use to measure his spirit energy, when his cloth is half that means it Is equal to that of a captain (Unohana stated to be equal to her own when his cloth was half) and assuming Ichigo cloth was complete meaning he already surpass Unohana and Shunsui. And Ichigo battled Ulquiorra at full clothing and lost.

Post-revival Ichigo is stronger than pre-revival, She says he has comprabale spirt energy to a captain, not herself, she never mentions herself, at half power I hate to be the parragon of bad news but that could mean almost anything and has no direct scaling to Shunsui, especially when Zaraki and Byakuya are doing more damage to res Yammy with casual attacks than this version of Ichigo is doing with a masked, black Getsuga

 

[Excellence616]

Post-revival Ichigo is stronger than pre-revival, She says he has comprabale spirt energy to a captain, not herself, she never mentions herself, at half power I hate to be the parragon of bad news but that could mean almost anything and has no direct scaling to Shunsui, especially when Zaraki and Byakuya are doing more damage to res Yammy with casual attacks than this version of Ichigo is doing with a masked, black Getsuga

As long as the soul society relied on Ichigo to defeat Aizen that would mean he is above every captain (Maybe except Yamamoto).

 

[Dragopentling]

Royd Lloyd at just High 6-B feels weird, considering how much of a fight he was able to put up with against Yamamoto, just saying. He also technically stomped pre-trained Kenpachi right before that.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Blallooo]

Royd Lloyd at just High 6-B feels weird, considering how much of a fight he was able to put up with against Yamamoto, just saying. He also technically stomped pre-trained Kenpachi right before that.

I'm not sure but I think that there's some revision going planned for Sawfy so that should affect Royd too

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[AppleLord]

Yhwach >< Ichigo > Sternrriter Robert > Shunsui