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I'm slowly wondering why G4 got restricted in the first place?
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Because stomp.I'm slowly wondering why G4 got restricted in the first place?
It's explained here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-h...namoto-no-raikou-vs-kamen-rider-kuuga.123772/The thing here is, we always treated Busoshoku Haki that way until today. It's not like I didn't asked the people who said Mihawk can negate Regen in the first place.
Regarding Servants, how does their soul Hax work?
Because it's not a single large punch it's a barrage of themHe has Acrobatics, so he can move out of the way. Enhanced Senses, so he can move out of the way. Instinctive Reaction, so he can move out of the way. Analytical Prediction, so he can move out of the way. Adaption, so he can adapt to unfavorable situations. All that together, he will be able to dodge Luffy's attacks with ease. Especially when you factor in that with Acrobatics, that allow him to dodge and move around in mid air, he isn't getting hit by red hawk.
As for Gear 3rd, I see no reason why he couldn't just jump out of the way? or even move out of the way? It's not like he's in a cramped room that won't allow him to move out of the way.
I'm sensing some clear bias for Luffy here. Why wouldn't Garou be able to dodge or react to Gear 3 or Red Hawk, seeing all of what Garou has here??
That'd be a blitzI'm slowly wondering why G4 got restricted in the first place?
I mean. Why does you have to the right to call people biased. When humans are fundamentally biased creatures? That's the whole point of fictional debating, debunking your opponent's bias and arguments. Also, is it really fair to call everyone who disagree with you on Garou beating Luffy biased? When Luffy is put at severe disadvantages that could potentially affect the whole match if his transformation didn't got restricted.He has Acrobatics, so he can move out of the way. Enhanced Senses, so he can move out of the way. Instinctive Reaction, so he can move out of the way. Analytical Prediction, so he can move out of the way. Adaption, so he can adapt to unfavorable situations. All that together, he will be able to dodge Luffy's attacks with ease. Especially when you factor in that with Acrobatics, that allow him to dodge and move around in mid air, he isn't getting hit by red hawk.
As for Gear 3rd, I see no reason why he couldn't just jump out of the way? or even move out of the way? It's not like he's in a cramped room that won't allow him to move out of the way.
I'm sensing some clear bias for Luffy here. Why wouldn't Garou be able to dodge or react to Gear 3 or Red Hawk, seeing all of what Garou has here??
Pre timeskip luffy as well and it's aoe...He has Acrobatics, so he can move out of the way
pre timeskip luffyEnhanced Senses, so he can move out of the way
Pre timeskip luffyInstinctive Reaction, so he can move out of the way.
No that's not what it does... He things of multiple way where people can go.... Luffy will know where you will goAnalytical Prediction, so he can move out of the way.
speed equal and aoeAs for Gear 3rd, I see no reason why he couldn't just jump out of the way? or even move out of the way? It's not like he's in a cramped room that won't allow him to move out of the way.
What? He has dodge barrages before? I doubt the size is going to stop Garou from being able to dodge, especially seeing how Garou is quite literally ALWAYS quick on his toes, and it's not in a cramped space where he wouldn't be able to jump back or move away.Because it's not a single large punch it's a barrage of them
Doesn't that mean luffy can also dodge WCIF?He has Acrobatics, so he can move out of the way. Enhanced Senses, so he can move out of the way. Instinctive Reaction, so he can move out of the way. Analytical Prediction, so he can move out of the way. Adaption, so he can adapt to unfavorable situations. All that together, he will be able to dodge Luffy's attacks with ease. Especially when you factor in that with Acrobatics, that allow him to dodge and move around in mid air, he isn't getting hit by red hawk.
As for Gear 3rd, I see no reason why he couldn't just jump out of the way? or even move out of the way? It's not like he's in a cramped room that won't allow him to move out of the way.
I'm sensing some clear bias for Luffy here. Why wouldn't Garou be able to dodge or react to Gear 3 or Red Hawk, especially considering what Garou actually has here??
And it's not like luffy doesn't have enhanced senses he can sense Garou's intention and if Garaou dodge one he still has a barrage to deal with and luffy can cover a lot more area with g3 also speed equalHe has Acrobatics, so he can move out of the way. Enhanced Senses, so he can move out of the way. Instinctive Reaction, so he can move out of the way. Analytical Prediction, so he can move out of the way. Adaption, so he can adapt to unfavorable situations. All that together, he will be able to dodge Luffy's attacks with ease. Especially when you factor in that with Acrobatics, that allow him to dodge and move around in mid air, he isn't getting hit by red hawk.
As for Gear 3rd, I see no reason why he couldn't just jump out of the way? or even move out of the way? It's not like he's in a cramped room that won't allow him to move out of the way.
I'm sensing some clear bias for Luffy here. Why wouldn't Garou be able to dodge or react to Gear 3 or Red Hawk, especially considering what Garou actually has here??
Garou has evolution from what I heard. Wouldn't he evolve to the point of matching evenly with G4 Luffy?That'd be a blitz
come on
Was speed equal then and it was definitely not equal to luffy's barrage also the size of a single punch also matters here tooWhat? He has dodge barrages before? I doubt the size is going to stop Garou from being able to dodge, especially seeing how Garou is quite literally ALWAYS quick on his toes, and it's not in a cramped space where he wouldn't be able to jump back or move away.
Do you hear yourself?I mean. Why does you have to the right to call people biased. When humans are fundamentally biased creatures? That's the whole point of fictional debating, debunking your opponent's bias and arguments. Also, is it really fair to call everyone who disagree with you on Garou beating Luffy biased? When Luffy is put at severe disadvantages that could potentially affect the whole match if his transformation didn't got restricted.
Yeah he could. He has Observation Haki, Enhanced senses, instinctive reactions, etcDoesn't that mean luffy can also dodge WCIF?
Not at all. G4 is a whole tier above (island level)Garou has evolution from what I heard. Wouldn't he evolve to the point of matching evenly with G4 Luffy?
Not at all. G4 is a whole tier above (island level)
I'm under the impression you just don't want anyone to debate for Luffy's advantages? I mean, it's just a debate there's no harm.Do you hear yourself?
Luffy should have a massive advantage with g3 because he is rated high 7-A+ potentially closing to the one shot territory with itWhat's the ap difference btw?
G4 is unfortunately not baseline 6-C (he got a tiny bit lucky)Not at all. G4 is a whole tier above (island level)
I mean unless Luffy is using g3 + g2 which he rarely does, but for the sake of the match he most likely will to avoid speed disadvantage, Garou should be able to react to his attacks.And it's not like luffy doesn't have enhanced senses he can sense Garou's intention and if Garaou dodge one he still has a barrage to deal with and luffy can cover a lot more area with g3 also speed equal
Alright I was gonna just ignore what you said but nevermind.I'm under the impression you just don't want anyone to debate for Luffy's advantages? I mean, it's just a debate there's no harm.
The reason why I called you biased, is because you're clearly reaching for straws (though I was referring to Rez [And monkey], not particularly to you. I mean the fact that Monkey tried to argue that Garou's Analytical Predictions are trash due to a gag feat, proves it (in my mind), then you ask for g4 knowing that g4 would literally one shot Garou. I'm not calling everyone who disagrees with me biased, but I'm saying that it sounds like you guys (monkey) are downplaying Garou to bump up Luffy. I mean COME ON. Monkey literally says he knows more about OPM than we do but then tries using a gag feat to downplay Garou when it should have been OBVIOUS. He even tried using SAITAMA????I mean. Why does you have to the right to call people biased. When humans are fundamentally biased creatures? That's the whole point of fictional debating, debunking your opponent's bias and arguments. Also, is it really fair to call everyone who disagree with you on Garou beating Luffy biased? When Luffy is put at severe disadvantages that could potentially affect the whole match if his transformation didn't got restricted.
He's only 4x stronger with G3 (going based off of Hody's profile) so Garou isn't getting one shot.Gear 3rd should definitely be a one shot with armament haki
Their is no speed disadvantage here this is speed equalised and Garou is definitely not dodging all of the elephant gun barrageI mean unless Luffy is using g3 + g2 which he rarely does, but for the sake of the match he most likely will to avoid speed disadvantage, Garou should be able to react to his attacks.
The reason why I called you biased, is because you're clearly reaching for straws (though I was referring to Rez [And monkey], not particularly to you. I mean the fact that Monkey tried to argue that Garou's Analytical Predictions are trash due to a gag feat, proves it (in my mind), then you ask for g4 knowing that g4 would literally one shot Garou. I'm not calling everyone who disagrees with me biased, but I'm saying that it sounds like you guys (monkey) are downplaying Garou to bump up Luffy. I mean COME ON. Monkey literally says he knows more about OPM than we do but then tries using a gag feat to downplay Garou when it should have been OBVIOUS. He even tried using SAITAMA????
He is way above HodyHe's only 4x stronger with G3 (going based off of Hody's profile) so Garou isn't getting one shot.
Alright that's fair enough I guess. But I just think that the likelihood of Luffy pulling out a g3 barrage when they're in a close range 1v1 is very not likelyYeah it should pretty much make Garaou almost unable to fight and to say Garou can dodge all of elephant Gatling(punches bigger than a tank so they cover more area) punches in speed equal solely based on acrobatics and instinctive reaction is a bit nfl
By an unquantifiable amount, no? Cause I'm not seeing any other justification for g3 other than g3 one shotting amped hodyHe is way above Hody
It is the difference is >>>4xG3 is not that many times stronger than garou, and garou can improve as the fight goes on so going into G3 is bad because Garou would out speed.
Great. Unquantifiably >>>4x. Not one shotting.It is the difference is >>>4x
How...I'm saying they're roughly equal
Even then it will only take Two or three hits potentially 4Great. Unquantifiably >>>4x. Not one shotting.
Luffy's gear 2nd speed is Unquantifiably yet it blitzesGreat. Unquantifiably >>>4x. Not one shotting.
I see. I deeply apologize for Monkey's attitude. But is it really a reason to get worked up? It wasn't the first time that you got enraged and misinterpreted things, hence why I was under the impression that any arguments thrown for Luffy is the equivalent of a landmine.I mean unless Luffy is using g3 + g2 which he rarely does, but for the sake of the match he most likely will to avoid speed disadvantage, Garou should be able to react to his attacks.
BTW I'm not saying that Garou > Luffy in terms of reacting/dodging/sensing. I'm saying they're roughly equal, but I'm just saying Garou probably has the edge with his other abilities as well as his experience.
Alright I was gonna just ignore what you said but nevermind.
The reason why I called you biased, is because you're clearly reaching for straws (though I was referring to Rez [And monkey], not particularly to you. I mean the fact that Monkey tried to argue that Garou's Analytical Predictions are trash due to a gag feat, proves it (in my mind), then you ask for g4 knowing that g4 would literally one shot Garou. I'm not calling everyone who disagrees with me biased, but I'm saying that it sounds like you guys (monkey) are downplaying Garou to bump up Luffy. I mean COME ON. Monkey literally says he knows more about OPM than we do but then tries using a gag feat to downplay Garou when it should have been OBVIOUS. He even tried using SAITAMA????
Luffy is clearly at a disadvantage, because it would be a stomp. Stop acting as if the match was made specifically to hurt Luffy. The OP tried to equalize it and he did a good job.
Blitzes what? Half Monster Garou and G2 Luffy are speed equal for this fightLuffy's gear 2nd speed is Unquantifiably yet it blitzes