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The Hunt will Never End: Minamoto no Raikou vs Kamen Rider Kuuga

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Since my Zhongli vs Raikou was considered as stomp, i'll make an another Raikou matches that hopefully would'nt ended stomp. Also i originally wanted to use Gaim but i'm still waiting his revision to comes out so yeah, another Kuuga matches because why not lel, anyway....

Escaped from the hunt shortly after his fight the Demon Sergeant, Yusuke stumbled an yet again, another problem.
The Legendary Monster Exterminator are now on his way, tasked to hunt the bearer of terrifying ancient power that can terrorized the entire nation, Minamoto no Yorimitsu (or Raikou), now in the front of Yusuke challenged him in the fight! Yusuke must survive an another hellish situation, will he survive this time or Raikou successfully defeated him?




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So Raikou should have the overall skill advantage. While Kuuga is no slouch the Shimousa stuff is a bit too much for my brain.

Now this fight basically boil down to "Will Raikou use her NP before everything explode". Not sure if Servant resistances to explosion will work against Kuuga's mark or just general everything goes boom from Amazing Mighty Kick.
 
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Now this fight basically boil down to "Will Raikou use her NP before everything explode". Not sure if Servant resistances to explosion will work against Kuuga's mark or just general everything goes boom from Amazing Mighty Kick.
I saw the video and honestly I think they can resist, the explosion seem to come from the energy in the kick transfered to the enemy, Servants have resistance because of be unaffected by the mana of the age of gods which is so potent that humans explode by it, both are explosion made by energy so in principle I believe they resist, if considered that Mana Resistance would on top probbaly reduce the effect of the energy then Raikou should resist. This is my opinion at least.

So Raikou seem to have the skill advantage and AP since she scale considerably above the 26.6 GT calc and Kuuga seem to be 33.35 GT (the calc is directly of him so this is his exact AP right?), Kuuga have better mobility to help him and good versatility, but in principle I think Raikou can win most of the times.
 

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So Raikou seem to have the skill advantage and AP since she scale considerably above the 26.6 GT calc and Kuuga seem to be 33.35 GT (the calc is directly of him so this is his exact AP right?), Kuuga have better mobility to help him and good versatility, but in principle I think Raikou can win most of the times.
day 3 of searching the exact number of mountains

but yeah, raikou has high stats, further buffed by mad enhancement, further buffed by mana burst lightning. Not sure if mystery slayer triggers here, considering that his nickname is "the ancient mightty warrior" I'm gonna guess yes. She should have the skill and AP advantage (massive for the former), but I doubt she would use her np in a situation where she is stronger
 
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It could depend, I'm also not sure if the buff against mystic would active but just because of his base Rank A Strength she should have the AP advantage that can futher go up with at least Mana Burst but Kuuga I think also have amps and RE so that could help in that regard, and while probably isn't gonna begin with the NP maybe she could decide to use it depending of the situation.
 

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day 3 of searching the exact number of mountains

but yeah, raikou has high stats, further buffed by mad enhancement, further buffed by mana burst lightning. Not sure if mystery slayer triggers here, considering that his nickname is "the ancient mightty warrior" I'm gonna guess yes. She should have the skill and AP advantage (massive for the former), but I doubt she would use her np in a situation where she is stronger

So Raikou has the AP advantage + amps and skill. However, if she decides to use electrical powers and it is in character, Kuuga will get powered up by it rather than get hurt.

What has mystery slayer trigger on before?

Edit: So I saw it on her profile. I don't think Kuuga doesn't categorize in Monsters, Demons, Magical Users, Legendary Heroes/Divine or anything of that sort.

Kuuga also evolves whenever he goes into a life threatening position so I could see that coming into play here.

I saw the video and honestly I think they can resist, the explosion seem to come from the energy in the kick transfered to the enemy, Servants have resistance because of be unaffected by the mana of the age of gods which is so potent that humans explode by it, both are explosion made by energy so in principle I believe they resist, if considered that Mana Resistance would on top probbaly reduce the effect of the energy then Raikou should resist. This is my opinion at least.
I think this depends on whether he hits her directly or not, if he directly hits her, she explodes from the inside out. This would depend on her durability. If her durability is high enough to tank it, then Kuuga will have to get multiple hits off.
However, I think that if the mark doesn't trigger on her directly, I think she resists it.
 
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So Raikou has the AP advantage + amps and skill. However, if she decides to use electrical powers and it is in character, Kuuga will get powered up by it rather than get hurt.
it's definitively in character, but how is it defined? resistances shouldn't work because mana burst work on magic resistance, so it has like 10 layers, and she has magic resistance, which resist power null. Well it's likely to be absorption tho so it should work
What has mystery slayer trigger on before?
it triggers on mystery which is like... a very broad term for pretty much anything old or mystic
definition of mystery:
It is the source of all supernatural phenomena such as Magecraft or ESP, and beings such as True Ancestors, Dead Apostles, Servants, Spiritual Bodies, as well as Phantasmal Species show signs of Mystery.[1][2][3] Mystery accumulates over time and grows stronger with age.

Kuuga also has evolves whenever he goes into a life threatening position so I could see that coming into play here.
RPL could come in handy and scores some win yes, altho it's not like raikou would not go for lethal with every move
I think this depends on whether he hits her directly or not, if he directly hits her, she explodes from the inside out. This would depend on her durability. If her durability is high enough to tank it, then Kuuga will have to get multiple hits off.
I think it was agreed in the last thread (astolfo against someone from kamen rider) that while the resistance doesn't give immunity to the explosion, it should still partially apply and reduce the damages
 

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it's definitively in character, but how is it defined? resistances shouldn't work because mana burst work on magic resistance, so it has like 10 layers, and she has magic resistance, which resist power null. Well it's likely to be absorption tho so it should work
Electricity basically powers his belt. "By allowing himself to be a conduit for electricity to power the Amadam, Yusuke obtained upgraded versions of his standard forms, boosting his stats and power".

it triggers on mystery which is like... a very broad term for pretty much anything old or mystic
definition of mystery:
It is the source of all supernatural phenomena such as Magecraft or ESP, and beings such as True Ancestors, Dead Apostles, Servants, Spiritual Bodies, as well as Phantasmal Species show signs of Mystery.[1][2][3] Mystery accumulates over time and grows stronger with age.
You can make a case for original Kuuga who is the ancient warrior but Kuuga in this era is just a random dude who came across a belt and is now Kuuga so I don't think it triggers on him.

RPL could come in handy and scores some win yes, altho it's not like raikou would not go for lethal with every move
I think it was agreed in the last thread (astolfo against someone from kamen rider) that while the resistance doesn't give immunity to the explosion, it should still partially apply and reduce the damages
Agreed. Kuuga in this case would have to score multiple direct hits or indirect blasts from his kick.
 
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So Raikou has the AP advantage + amps and skill. However, if she decides to use electrical powers and it is in character, Kuuga will get powered up by it rather than get hurt.
Electricity basically powers his belt. "By allowing himself to be a conduit for electricity to power the Amadam, Yusuke obtained upgraded versions of his standard forms, boosting his stats and power".
Oh, if he can absorb the lightnings then she would become hesitant to use them after notice that, that would seal or at least restrict her Mana Burst (worst case she don't use it and best case she have caution to use it in a way that wouldn't mean power up Kuuga), that give more chances to Kuuga but at the same time that can encourage more Raikou to use her NP, specially the clones with different elements because of the weapons.
 

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Oh, if he can absorb the lightnings then she would become hesitant to use them after notice that, that would seal or at least restrict her Mana Burst (worst case she don't use it and best case she have caution to use it in a way that wouldn't mean power up Kuuga), that give more chances to Kuuga but at the same time that can encourage more Raikou to use her NP, specially the clones with different elements because of the weapons.
I could see clones being a detriment to her tho if he can kick them to produce the blast. Of course, this would be a different story if they resist just like her but even then, if one goes off, it would start a chain reaction.
 
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I could see clones being a detriment to her tho if he can kick them to produce the blast. Of course, this would be a different story if they resist just like her but even then, if one goes off, it would start a chain reaction.
In principle the clones are as durable as her and also have her resistances, so I don't think he could affect them, and they have significantly more AP and numbers while maintaining the same skill of the main body, so it would be pretty bad for Kuuga if they come out.
 

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In principle the clones are as durable as her and also have her resistances, so I don't think he could affect them, and they have significantly more AP and numbers while maintaining the same skill of the main body, so it would be pretty bad for Kuuga if they come out.
oof, that would be bad. But can they fly tho, Kuuga can fly on his Gouram to avoid them if they can't.

I still think Kuuga can keep up and damage them if he gets hit by the Lightning.
 
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oof, that would be bad. But can they fly tho, Kuuga can fly on his Gouram to avoid them if they can't.
No, but the clones as copies of Raikou are able to jump several meters and use other things as plataforms to jump (a descendant of Raikou (Ushiwakamaru) have showed to use her own copies to jump so Raikou would surely do the same if needed) and one of the copies use a bow to attack from distance.
 

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i'm just curious, why Raikou?

I mean more power to ya, cause I don't really recall her being used before you started to give her a bunch of matches Velox, but i'm curious why her?

is it cause big booba
 
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I should mention that Kuuga explosion are a bit different than any of Riders explosion has shown, since most of the time Gurongi's can supressed the explosion mark, however Kuuga can still made them destroyed in contact with some of the abilities he had or used a more powerful moves, that granted him an ability to bypassing explosion resistance

Even so it's still a weird analogy from mine
 
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i'm just curious, why Raikou?

I mean more power to ya, cause I don't really recall her being used before you started to give her a bunch of matches Velox, but i'm curious why her?

is it cause big booba
Wanting her to be Tomoe Mami 2.0

Well that's because she's most flexible servants to use, mad skills, good resistances, and good versitality

And well aside Raikou i also made some of Saber Astolfo matches, and if they getting their profiles, i would spam Dioscuri and LB6 Gang Servants (but mostly Melusine and Sith) matches a lot
 

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I should mention that Kuuga explosion are a bit different than any of Riders explosion has shown, since most of the time Gurongi's can supressed the explosion mark, however Kuuga can still made them destroyed in contact with some of the abilities he had or used a more powerful moves, that granted him an ability to bypassing explosion resistance

Even so it's still a weird analogy from mine
Yea, this is basically why I think that the summons could be a detriment as Kuuga's AOE is huge which could cause a lot of collateral damage.
 

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Not voting yet but Raikou are above him in almost every aspects and Kuuga need to finish the fight as quickly as possible. I will argue for Kuuga's explosive mark affecting Raikou due to him overcoming Gurongi resistance with stronger attack, however her better AP and skills make it very difficult to perform neatly.
 
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Well i dunno, considering Yusuke mastered 2000 of skills to helping the others, and the fact that the enemies he once fought was a ancient tribes that lived for more than 2000 years with a good experience in massacring and fight, i can say that Yusuke/Kuuga skill aren't that bad compared to Raikou

Not saying they're equal in skill-wise tho
 

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Most of his 2000 skills are trivial and only until the series start that he learnt how to fight. Fate characters usually have this mad level of skills and Raikou are one of them. Combine it with her higher AP and several amps putting Kuuga at tight spot here.
 
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Well, in that 2000 skills there is should at least some of the martial arts he can use, and beside the enemies he fought was Gurongi and not an humans
Then again this is still an asumption so i'm not gonna taking my analysis too deep

I can argue the RPL can come to handy, and said one of the amps (Lightning Burst) are rendered moot as Kuuga can absorb the lightning to amplifying himself
As for Mystery Killer, this need to be debated again based from this:

Edit: So I saw it on her profile. I don't think Kuuga doesn't categorize in Monsters, Demons, Magical Users, Legendary Heroes/Divine or anything of that sort.

You can make a case for original Kuuga who is the ancient warrior but Kuuga in this era is just a random dude who came across a belt and is now Kuuga so I don't think it triggers on him.
 

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Electricity basically powers his belt. "By allowing himself to be a conduit for electricity to power the Amadam, Yusuke obtained upgraded versions of his standard forms, boosting his stats and power".
absorption/thunder manip works then
You can make a case for original Kuuga who is the ancient warrior but Kuuga in this era is just a random dude who came across a belt and is now Kuuga so I don't think it triggers on him.
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Agreed. Kuuga in this case would have to score multiple direct hits or indirect blasts from his kick.
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I could see clones being a detriment to her tho if he can kick them to produce the blast. Of course, this would be a different story if they resist just like her but even then, if one goes off, it would start a chain reaction.
it's true clones with her durability
 

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Well i dunno, considering Yusuke mastered 2000 of skills to helping the others, and the fact that the enemies he once fought was a ancient tribes that lived for more than 2000 years with a good experience in massacring and fight, i can say that Yusuke/Kuuga skill aren't that bad compared to Raikou

Not saying they're equal in skill-wise tho
raikou is above someone who is above someone who is above [...] someone who was banned from kendos tournament for being too good
Even the worst fighters like astolfo have skills above what any human can reach
 
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raikou is above someone who is above someone who is above [...] someone who was banned from kendos tournament for being too good
Even the worst fighters like astolfo have skills above what any human can reach
Ye, that's why i said both Kuuga and Raikou aren't equal in term of skills, i just pointing out the context so Kuuga skill isn't looks bad, i even bet out of the series that came in Kamen Rider Franchise, Kuuga is the most skilled Rider
 
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so like pretty much the top 10 most popular characters?
That even worse lmao

Well there is some of trick for the A-EX MR Servants: use an haxless/less haxed but versatile characters against them, same can be said to the servants (need to be less haxed), example my Agito vs Saber Astolfo

This is why i'm more enjoying using an less popular/underused servants like Raikou and Saber Astolfo tho in this case they would gain a popularity if i made a lot's of matches for them
 

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From my point of view, Kuuga wins if he gets the lightning. Even with one absorption of lightning, he can evolve (the two times he did it in the show, he jumped multiple tiers). Otherwise, Raikou wins. Its a matter of how willing she is to use that ability.
 

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From my point of view, Kuuga wins if he gets the lightning. Even with one absorption of lightning, he can evolve (the two times he did it in the show, he jumped multiple tiers). Otherwise, Raikou wins. Its a matter of how willing she is to use that ability.
is it dependent on the power of theh lightning or not?
 

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It most likely is. I don't see Kuuga winning in other ways.
then it should equalize their AP at most right? So kuuga still has diversity while raikou can one shot him with her np (although she will probably not use it in most matches) and has a massive skill advantage. Some fights will also end before raikou uses her mana burst, and he might not absorb it every time so I'm giving it a good 7~8/10 for raikou
 

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then it should equalize their AP at most right? So kuuga still has diversity while raikou can one shot him with her np (although she will probably not use it in most matches) and has a massive skill advantage. Some fights will also end before raikou uses her mana burst, and he might not absorb it every time so I'm giving it a good 7~8/10 for raikou
The few times he absorbed electricity in the show, he upgraded multiple tiers. (8-C to Low 7-B, Low 7-B to 6-C, 6-C to 5-B) So when I'm talking about AP upgrade, its a massive one. The Skill Advantage isn't that big but she'll still have an advantage.
 

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The few times he absorbed electricity in the show, he upgraded multiple tiers. (8-C to Low 7-B, Low 7-B to 6-C, 6-C to 5-B) So when I'm talking about AP upgrade, its a massive one. The Skill Advantage isn't that big but she'll still have an advantage.
I think you misunderstood my question above. Is his buff dependant on the AP of the lightning? It would make sense to me at least. If it is, it will only get him to around raikou AP. And while Kuuga isn't a bad fighter, raikou is a top tier fighter in the nasuverse, one of the best verse skill-wises.
 

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I think you misunderstood my question above. Is his buff dependant on the AP of the lightning? It would make sense to me at least. If it is, it will only get him to around raikou AP.
Ah my bad, it doesn't depend on the Ap of lightning, he got buffed off of a few defibrillator shocks.
And while Kuuga isn't a bad fighter, raikou is a top tier fighter in the nasuverse, one of the best verse skill-wises.
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Ah my bad, it doesn't depend on the Ap of lightning, he got buffed off of a few defibrillator shocks.
huh... Then yeah, he should get a massive AP advantage. Raikou could feel that and use her np, which should still kill tho. Very close, but I'm still leaning toward raikou since she has more situations where she can win
 
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On servant physiology.
Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation and Information Manipulation: A Servants main sustenance is mana, but they can consume souls to maintain themselves into the world. Servants can also perform spiritual attacks that can cleave souls, and even reverse possession from Divine Spirits when their resistance is down.
 
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Well again, RPL still work and Lightning Burst alongside Mystery Killer would less effective here

I think in the end it's low-mid diff win for Raikou tbh
 
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Hold on, regarding servants soul hax, does this applied to servant vs servant only? I mean it descripted that they attacked their spirit origin against each others but how about non-servants?
 
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wait what's the difference between the materialization of servants compared to the heroic spirits


since it says the casual attack can hit soul only applies to heroic spirit and not materialization
 
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I mean, from the image of Medusa is made clear that they can decide to charge they attacks with the spiritual energy to damage souls, but based in the fact that every time they fight a human they don't instantly destroy their souls make it seem like not every hit have the power to do that and they decide when to do it, so in principle if that's right that mean that Raikou have another win con instead of be a utterly stomp from the very beginning.
 
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being able to use spiritual attacks =/= all casual attacks target the soul

the scan used specifically mentioned using spiritual attacks.

besides the servant physiology page and the scans in it already states they are capable of doing spiritual attacks not to say all their casual attacks do that.


so that's a wincon but not all her casual attacks are spiritual
 
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Fate/Complete Material III.
How to Defeat A Servant
When a Heroic Spirit emerges into this world, he first acquires a Spiritual Core. The Heroic Spirit then materialises as the body envelopes this Spiritual Core. In order to defeat a Heroic Spirit, one must inflict damage to the Spiritual Core.
 
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I think he isn't claiming that servants cannot damage souls and instead he say that servants don't affect the soul with every single hit they do and they decide if they charge their attacks with the spiritual energy to affect souls, this are also my thoughts ad made obvious above, so instead of say that their casual attacks damage souls I would prefer that is said combat applicable soul manip, they can decide to damage souls with spiritual energy.

Edit: This is write a bit weird because I though it was the thread with the upgrade instead of the vs, so sorry if how I talked was strange.
 
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I think he isn't claiming that servants cannot damage souls and instead he say that servants don't affect the soul with every single hit they do and they decide if they charge their attacks with the spiritual energy to affect souls, this are my thoughts, so instead of say that their casual attacks damage souls I would prefer that is said combat applicable soul manip, they can decide to damage souls with spiritual energy.
Is what I'm about to basically say yes. its more of a combat applicable attack rather than all their attacks being passively amped to have that hax effect all the time

besides most servant hurt/harm each other using their special abilities and techniques rather than their own casual attacks
 
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agreed about it not applying to every hit. Also agreed with raikou mid dif as she shouldn't use it instantly in character
Also, is it me or servant are gonna take over the low 6B tier with these buffs?
Alright, i guess this match is still good to go

Maybe? I dunno lel
 
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Updated the OP, and we're in voting session right now since the debate was settled

After this i'll make an another Raikou match, this time against either Meliodas or someone from Xenoblade 2
 
.Escaped from the hunt shortly after his fight the Demon Sergeant, Yusuke stumbled an yet again, another problem.
The Legendary Monster Exterminator are now on his way, tasked to hunt the bearer of terrifying ancient power that can terrorized the entire nation, Minamoto no Yorimitsu (or Raikou), now in the front of Yusuke challenged him in the fight! Yusuke must survive an another hellish situation, will he survive this time or Raikou successfully defeated him?




I wish there was an epilogue
 
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