A few possible Pokemon upgrades

[Pulinno]

ok so like, two qustions:

1. I have read the manga online, can I upload the screenshots here?

2. In the screenshots (they're in portuguese but I can translate) Darkrai clashes with Mewtwo and Regigigas restrains Palkia and Dialga at the same time (although they were controled by Cyrus at that specific point). Are those outliers?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Regigigas restraining Palkia and Dialga is an outlier for sure. Unless they were weakened immensely.

 

[Ionliosite]

Yes, Regigas touching Dialga and Palkia is totally an outlier.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Funny enough the Anime has Meowth compare Gira and Reggie but this again isn't consistent enough.

 

[Pulinno]

Alright (the same scene has Diamond use a Mamoswine because it's super effective even though it's not so I kinda expected it)

What about Mewtwo?

 

[Pulinno]

Is putting the screendhot here ok?

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Alright (the same scene has Diamond use a Mamoswine because it's super effective even though it's not so I kinda expected it)

What about Mewtwo?

Wouldn't scaling that to Mewtwo make basically every legendary 2-B?

 

[Pulinno]

Well as far as I know, it'd be Deoxys and Mew

and Genesect

and... Rayquasa

Well that could be something...

 

[Pulinno]

I have the screenshot at hand. Can I upload it?

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

Well as far as I know, it'd be Deoxys and Mew

and Genesect

and... Rayquasa

Well that could be something...

... and the Tao trio and the Aura trio and Ultra Necrozma and Keldeo

 

[Pulinno]

''Oh no...''

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

 

[Pulinno]

Ok so can I do a CRT?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Or downgrade Darkrai

 

[Pulinno]

Well wouldn't downgrading Darkrai not make sense considering the Mistery Dungeon games?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Yes, It would likely be an outlier for Mewtwo

But Regigigas being Tier 2 is pretty consistent

 

[Pulinno]

Isn't it like the opposite?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Well Mewtwo scaling would make lots of legendaries 2-C

 

[Pulinno]

And?

 

[Pulinno]

I mean some of them, like Groudon and Kyogre, shouldn't be changed (since they, fighting at their full might, didn't even destroy the world)

 

[JoshSSJGod]

And ya asking for 2-C Ash's Pikachu?

 

[Pulinno]

What ya mean? I just said they shouldn't be upgraded (at least at base form)

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

And ya asking for 2-C Ash's Pikachu?

Ash's Sceptile is more reasonable as 2-C, although Pikachu could scale as well if we assume Tobias's Latios is comparable to his Darkrai

@Pulinno I think basically every 5-B characters except Primals would scale if this goes through. The Primals have their own 5-B feat and I don't think they backscale from Rayquaza

 

[TheGatememer]

I think sceptile beating darkrai is a major outlier though

 

[Pulinno]

Probably PIS, but line the whole concepto of Tobias is PIS

 

[Pulinno]

@Pulinno I think basically every 5-B characters except Primals would scale if this goes through. The Primals have their own 5-B feat and I don't think they backscale from Rayquaza

Yeah maybe the two together at Primal form scale against base Rayquasa, but I think low-2C should only be Mega, considering that form defeated Deoxys

 

[Pulinno]

Can I do the CRT?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Yeah, why not?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Probably PIS, but line the whole concepto of Tobias is PIS

While Tobias was indeed a PiS device to stop Ash winning the Sinnoh league and after he served his purpose he was never heard from again (just like Ash's previous league only rivals), I'll still take Tobias over Cameron any day (the Unova league was just ugh...).

 

[Pulinno]

Cameron at least had a personality (and like, a good team: a Hydreigon, a Ferrothorn, a Samurott... ok Swanna's kinda trash but Lucario's not)

but seriously if he had brought his Watchog it would be a 5-6, not a 4-6. and that is, imo, not the worst BW anime battle (YES IT IS YOU SNIVY VS PIKACHU)

Anyway, here's the CRT: Thread:4155259

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

Yeah maybe the two together at Primal form scale against base Rayquasa, but I think low-2C should only be Mega, considering that form defeated Deoxys

Base Rayquaza beat Deoxys in their first fight

 

[Pulinno]

Oh ok but it was already rejected :/

 

[Arceus0x]

i'll be honest, darkrai should not be 2-C in my opinion. I mean, yeah, he had some questionable feats, but he also had anti-feats. Mewtwo clashed with him and lucario from pokemon 7 one-shot him. I think upgrading mewtwo to 2-C or downgrading darkrai to 5-B would be more consistent than the fact that they upgraded a lucario to 2-C possibly 2-B.

 

[TheGatememer]

Yea i agree. Also, Palkia somewhat stomped Darkrai in pokemon mystery dungeon iirc. Darkrai survived, but this should not make them 2-B.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

i'll be honest, darkrai should not be 2-C in my opinion. I mean, yeah, he had some questionable feats, but he also had anti-feats. Mewtwo clashed with him and lucario from pokemon 7 one-shot him. I think upgrading mewtwo to 2-C or downgrading darkrai to 5-B would be more consistent than the fact that they upgraded a lucario to 2-C possibly 2-B.

No, those are simply just outliers.

Mewtwo literally clashed with Darkrai for 5 seconds, thats it. Easy outlier for Mewtwo. And Lucario was amped when fighting Darkrai. But in my honest opinion, Lucario 7 should be the one who is downgraded if anything.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yea i agree. Also, Palkia somewhat stomped Darkrai in pokemon mystery dungeon iirc. Darkrai survived, but this should not make them 2-B.

It wasn't a stomp, Palkia just severely harmed Darkrai with a bloodlusted Spatial Rend. Which Darkrai survived.

And this was after Darkrai got his ass beat by the combined might of Cresselia (his equal) and the protagonists, who defeated Primal Dialga prior to this.

 

[Pulinno]

Hey so where exactly does Darkrai fight the creation trio again? If it's in the Platinum manga or later please don't show screenshots because spoilers

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

In the Rise of Darkrai movie? And also in Mystery Dungeon somewhat with a weakened Darkrai tanking a full powered Spatial Rend from a bloodlusted Palkia.

 

[Arceus0x]

Yea i agree. Also, Palkia somewhat stomped Darkrai in pokemon mystery dungeon iirc. Darkrai survived, but this should not make them 2-B.

It wasn't a stomp, Palkia just severely harmed Darkrai with a bloodlusted Spatial Rend. Which Darkrai survived.
And this was after Darkrai got his ass beat by the combined might of Cresselia (his equal) and the protagonists, who defeated Primal Dialga prior to this.

the protagonists also beat primal dialga prior to fighting the entire guild which included wigglytuff yet he is not low 2-C so the protag argument makes no sense.

Darkrai still got harmed and had 0 ways to retaliate to palkia, even if he was weakend. Power levels in pokemon are not consistent so survivng a random hit from palkia shouldn't scale. He barely able to do something notable to dialga and palkia in the anime but the anime is hellishly inconsistent.

Let's just look at the feats and anti-feats:

feats:

-Darkrai survived a hit from palkia in an inconsistent game

-Darkrai pushed away dialga and palkia in an anime movie while they were distracted and only cared about fighting each other. A movie later pikachu harms arceus... talk about consistency ey?

anti-feats:

-mewtwo clashed with Darkrai in the manga

-Darkrai gets beaten by sceptile in the anime

-Darkrai gets dunked on by a somewhat powered up lucario


The only somewhat credible thing is Darkrai surviving a hit from Palkia in mistery dungeon where even dialga is only low 2-C.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

>the protagonists also beat primal dialga prior to fighting the entire guild which included wigglytuff yet he is not low 2-C so the protag argument makes no sense.

The Protagonists are Low 2-C though. Wigglytuff should be if he isnt already.

>Darkrai still got harmed and had 0 ways to retaliate to palkia, even if he was weakend. Power levels in pokemon are not consistent so survivng a random hit from palkia shouldn't scale.

You do realize Darkrai was already weakened and exhausted before Palkia attacked him right? Even so, it doesnt matter. Darkrai survived the full brunt of a bloodlusted Palkia's attack. Thats a 2-B feat.

>He barely able to do something notable to dialga and palkia in the anime but the anime is hellishly inconsistent.

"Barely"

Pushing away 2-B legendaries with dark pulse, stopping their signature moves simutaneously, and tanking multiple of their attacks are plenty of 2-B feats. Darkrai scales, he's simply much weaker than Dialga and Palkia.

>A movie later pikachu harms arceus... talk about consistency ey?

Which is, again, another massive outlier. Seriously dude? Learn the difference between outlier and inconsistency.

>mewtwo clashed with Darkrai in the manga

Oh look. Another outlier.

>Darkrai gets beaten by sceptile in the anime

Once again, another outlier. Especially when that very same Darkrai was one shotting all of Ash's pokemon, every sinnoh league contestant and every gym in Sinnoh without breaking a sweat. And Sceptile won by forcefully waking up from a Dark Void (which not even Dialga and Palkia could do). And then Sceptile gets one shotted by Latios literally moments after that.

>Darkrai gets dunked on by a somewhat powered up lucario

Another outlier. Lucario actually needs to be downgraded.

>where even dialga is only low 2-C

No, Primal Dialga is the one who is Low 2-C. Normal Dialga is 2-B

All of these "anti-feats" you cling to and are so adamant about are outliers for other Pokemo.